Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

[kalm]

Dont let it go to your head

(I figured youd like it though)


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Oh no worries. I take everything from you as derisive.

[css75]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... 380&type=3


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[BDKJMU]

Well, lookie here. Turns out Butina met with senior Obama admin officials back in 2015..
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-r ... KKBN1KC0DE

[Skjellyfetti]

Tony Podesta given immunity? We'll see if that is true or not.

Survey says: Fake News.

Tucker Carlson with the swing and miss.

All 5 granted immunity are unknowns from financial institutions.

[CAA Flagship]

Well, lookie here. Turns out Butina met with senior Obama admin officials back in 2015..
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-r ... KKBN1KC0DE

But that was BEFORE this sort of thing was considered outrageous by the MSM.

[CID1990]

Well, lookie here. Turns out Butina met with senior Obama admin officials back in 2015..
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-r ... KKBN1KC0DE

But that was BEFORE this sort of thing was considered outrageous by the MSM.

To be accurate, it occurred before Russia became our geopolitical foe

in the heady days of peace and friendship when the President had more flexibility after the 2012 election

flexibility for our friend Vlad


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[JohnStOnge]

Well, lookie here. Turns out Butina met with senior Obama admin officials back in 2015..
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-r ... KKBN1KC0DE

Oh wow. That looks like a really big deal:

Butina worked for Torshin, who has close ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin, and served as his interpreter at various Washington events.

Fischer, an in email to Reuters, confirmed he met with Torshin and his interpreter. While he could not recall details or whether the interpreter was Butina, Fischer said the conversation involved “the state of the Russian economy” and Torshin’s new role as deputy central bank governor.

[SeattleGriz]

Tucker says that is for the Virginia Manafort case, his sources say it will happen in the DC Manafort case - the FARA case.

I'll believe it when I see it.

[Skjellyfetti]

To be accurate, it occurred before Russia became our geopolitical foe

To be fair - it was before Russia perpetrated what you call "an act of war" against the US.

Previously, they've threatened the sovereignty of former Soviet states. Coming out of the 00s and our Iraq / Afghanistan adventures - meh.

If you consider the 2016 cyber attacks to be an act of war against the United States - surely, you would consider there to be some sort of change in US - Russia relations in 2016. No?

[SDHornet]

But that was BEFORE this sort of thing was considered outrageous by the MSM.

To be accurate, it occurred before Russia became our geopolitical foe

in the heady days of peace and friendship when the President had more flexibility after the 2012 election

flexibility for our friend Vlad


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Exactly.

[SDHornet]

They've never released a FISA application before. You could also look at it as them bending over backwards to placate the Deep Staters.

What exactly is damaging to the FBI or DOJ in the FISA applications?

So we finally going to see a Carter Page indictment now?

So basically the Nunez memo was pretty much spot on:

Now, however, we have both the memo and the FISA application, if in a blacked-out state. We can compare the two. And doing so shows the Nunes memo was overwhelmingly accurate. Perhaps some Democrats do not believe it should have been written, or they dispute what it included and left out, or they do not agree with its conclusions, but it was in fact accurate.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... nunes-memo

The Trump-Russia collusion narrative continues to implode even further.

[CID1990]

To be accurate, it occurred before Russia became our geopolitical foe

To be fair - it was before Russia perpetrated what you call "an act of war" against the US.

Previously, they've threatened the sovereignty of former Soviet states. Coming out of the 00s and our Iraq / Afghanistan adventures - meh.

If you consider the 2016 cyber attacks to be an act of war against the United States - surely, you would consider there to be some sort of change in US - Russia relations in 2016. No?

Your understanding of our relationship with Russia since 1992 leaves much to be desired -

That said, I LOVE your spin - suggesting that somehow the Russians weren't as bad in 2015 as they are now

I know having a Russian wife is sorta akin to being able to see Russia from your front yard, but this is softheaded ... even for you

BTW- I consider LOTS of things to be acts of war - hazarding vessels and aircraft, belligerent airspace violations, using active electronic jamming and targeting, hacking, misinformation designed to destabilize American popular opinion (klam used to love RT). Russia has been doing these things continually for decades

The Russians, after a short hiatus from 1992-1999 (when we had a window where we should have shown more good will), have always been one of our greatest foes - and they do to us precisely what we allow them to. When they perceive weakness, they act more boldly. Your suggestion is pure lefty reactionist BS .... in your world it ain't a problem until your own ox gets gored.

Our intel services (that now suddenly enjoy spotless credibility on the left) have also regarded Russia as a top adversary since the wall went up, and they still do.

The tools and methods have changed but the game is the same


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[houndawg]

Now now, letting personal animus cloud your objective thinking does not help the situation...I believe I was more specific than your damning with faint praise suggests

As in "in deep to the Russian Mob".

Its the only thing that makes sense - no way somebody would openly turn traitor over a little piss tape.

The only thing on planet Earth that Trump has an iota of human feeling for that isn't money is his cunt daughter. In their private tete a tete I imagine that Putin reminded him, just before their money shot, what happened to their former spy and his daughter in England recently.

Well well

I must've struck a nerve- thats the longest epistle youve written in a while

BTW... TL/DR

But Ill venture a guess- you tried to make a convincing argument that you really are Nostradumbass?


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It worked better with "klamosthenes"..... gentleman's "C".....

[CID1990]

Well well

I must've struck a nerve- thats the longest epistle youve written in a while

BTW... TL/DR

But Ill venture a guess- you tried to make a convincing argument that you really are Nostradumbass?


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gentleman's "C".....

I was the master of that

If there’s ever a “TED Talks” on the gentleman’s C they had better book me

[Ivytalk]

gentleman's "C".....

I was the master of that

If there’s ever a “TED Talks” on the gentleman’s C they had better book me

I see you more as the gentleman’s A-minus.

[GannonFan]

To be fair - it was before Russia perpetrated what you call "an act of war" against the US.

Previously, they've threatened the sovereignty of former Soviet states. Coming out of the 00s and our Iraq / Afghanistan adventures - meh.

If you consider the 2016 cyber attacks to be an act of war against the United States - surely, you would consider there to be some sort of change in US - Russia relations in 2016. No?

Your understanding of our relationship with Russia since 1992 leaves much to be desired -

That said, I LOVE your spin - suggesting that somehow the Russians weren't as bad in 2015 as they are now

I know having a Russian wife is sorta akin to being able to see Russia from your front yard, but this is softheaded ... even for you

BTW- I consider LOTS of things to be acts of war - hazarding vessels and aircraft, belligerent airspace violations, using active electronic jamming and targeting, hacking, misinformation designed to destabilize American popular opinion (klam used to love RT). Russia has been doing these things continually for decades

The Russians, after a short hiatus from 1992-1999 (when we had a window where we should have shown more good will), have always been one of our greatest foes - and they do to us precisely what we allow them to. When they perceive weakness, they act more boldly. Your suggestion is pure lefty reactionist BS .... in your world it ain't a problem until your own ox gets gored.

Our intel services (that now suddenly enjoy spotless credibility on the left) have also regarded Russia as a top adversary since the wall went up, and they still do.

The tools and methods have changed but the game is the same


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Indeed. That's the irony of all of this, the Russians have been meddling in our elections since, well, a good century now. Just like how we meddle in other countries elections all of the time (sometimes above the board, like with Obama threatening to send the UK to "the back of the line" if they voted for Brexit, and oftentimes below the radar like we've done throughout Latin America for as long as we've been a country). If you could show me that the Russians changed a vote that was cast, fiddled with and changed the votes in a voting machine, or hacked our electoral system and changed the numbers, mind you, everything that people on the left, including Skelly here, said prior to 2016 were impossibilities and paranoia as our electoral system is, and always has been, sacrosanct, then I think you'd have something. If laws were broken then those who did them should be prosecuted. But so far there's been very little dirt dug up for something that's supposed to be this massive of a crime.

[Ibanez]

Your understanding of our relationship with Russia since 1992 leaves much to be desired -

That said, I LOVE your spin - suggesting that somehow the Russians weren't as bad in 2015 as they are now

I know having a Russian wife is sorta akin to being able to see Russia from your front yard, but this is softheaded ... even for you

BTW- I consider LOTS of things to be acts of war - hazarding vessels and aircraft, belligerent airspace violations, using active electronic jamming and targeting, hacking, misinformation designed to destabilize American popular opinion (klam used to love RT). Russia has been doing these things continually for decades

The Russians, after a short hiatus from 1992-1999 (when we had a window where we should have shown more good will), have always been one of our greatest foes - and they do to us precisely what we allow them to. When they perceive weakness, they act more boldly. Your suggestion is pure lefty reactionist BS .... in your world it ain't a problem until your own ox gets gored.

Our intel services (that now suddenly enjoy spotless credibility on the left) have also regarded Russia as a top adversary since the wall went up, and they still do.

The tools and methods have changed but the game is the same


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Indeed. That's the irony of all of this, the Russians have been meddling in our elections since, well, a good century now. Just like how we meddle in other countries elections all of the time (sometimes above the board, like with Obama threatening to send the UK to "the back of the line" if they voted for Brexit, and oftentimes below the radar like we've done throughout Latin America for as long as we've been a country). If you could show me that the Russians changed a vote that was cast, fiddled with and changed the votes in a voting machine, or hacked our electoral system and changed the numbers, mind you, everything that people on the left, including Skelly here, said prior to 2016 were impossibilities and paranoia as our electoral system is, and always has been, sacrosanct, then I think you'd have something. If laws were broken then those who did them should be prosecuted. But so far there's been very little dirt dug up for something that's supposed to be this massive of a crime.

Were the Soviets actively meddling in our elections in the 20s, 30s, 40s, etc....? That's a serious question. I don't know enough about the Soviets during the middle 20th Century.


Btw - the last Russian Tsar was killed 100 yrs ago last week. That's a fun, history tidbit for you all.

[GannonFan]

Indeed. That's the irony of all of this, the Russians have been meddling in our elections since, well, a good century now. Just like how we meddle in other countries elections all of the time (sometimes above the board, like with Obama threatening to send the UK to "the back of the line" if they voted for Brexit, and oftentimes below the radar like we've done throughout Latin America for as long as we've been a country). If you could show me that the Russians changed a vote that was cast, fiddled with and changed the votes in a voting machine, or hacked our electoral system and changed the numbers, mind you, everything that people on the left, including Skelly here, said prior to 2016 were impossibilities and paranoia as our electoral system is, and always has been, sacrosanct, then I think you'd have something. If laws were broken then those who did them should be prosecuted. But so far there's been very little dirt dug up for something that's supposed to be this massive of a crime.

Were the Soviets actively meddling in our elections in the 20s, 30s, 40s, etc....? That's a serious question. I don't know enough about the Soviets during the middle 20th Century.


Btw - the last Russian Tsar was killed 100 yrs ago last week. That's a fun, history tidbit for you all.

The Palmer Raids were all about the supposed influence of the global Communist and Bolshevik movements and their desire to overthrow our government. Skelly's great granddad was probably sending letters to his local newspaper back then warning of the coming Red menace.

[Ibanez]

Were the Soviets actively meddling in our elections in the 20s, 30s, 40s, etc....? That's a serious question. I don't know enough about the Soviets during the middle 20th Century.


Btw - the last Russian Tsar was killed 100 yrs ago last week. That's a fun, history tidbit for you all.

The Palmer Raids were all about the supposed influence of the global Communist and Bolshevik movements and their desire to overthrow our government. Skelly's great granddad was probably sending letters to his local newspaper back then warning of the coming Red menace.

The Palmer Raids. I had forgotten all about them. I'm not naive enough to think they weren't trying to influence anyone.

[Ivytalk]

Were the Soviets actively meddling in our elections in the 20s, 30s, 40s, etc....? That's a serious question. I don't know enough about the Soviets during the middle 20th Century.


Btw - the last Russian Tsar was killed 100 yrs ago last week. That's a fun, history tidbit for you all.

The Palmer Raids were all about the supposed influence of the global Communist and Bolshevik movements and their desire to overthrow our government. Skelly's great granddad was probably sending letters to his local newspaper back then warning of the coming Red menace.

Nah. 100 years ago, Jelly’s great-grandpappy was probably boning Rosa Luxemburg.

[houndawg]

I was the master of that

If there’s ever a “TED Talks” on the gentleman’s C they had better book me

I see you more as the gentleman’s A-minus.

[houndawg]

To be fair - it was before Russia perpetrated what you call "an act of war" against the US.

Previously, they've threatened the sovereignty of former Soviet states. Coming out of the 00s and our Iraq / Afghanistan adventures - meh.

If you consider the 2016 cyber attacks to be an act of war against the United States - surely, you would consider there to be some sort of change in US - Russia relations in 2016. No?

Your understanding of our relationship with Russia since 1992 leaves much to be desired -

That said, I LOVE your spin - suggesting that somehow the Russians weren't as bad in 2015 as they are now

I know having a Russian wife is sorta akin to being able to see Russia from your front yard, but this is softheaded ... even for you

BTW- I consider LOTS of things to be acts of war - hazarding vessels and aircraft, belligerent airspace violations, using active electronic jamming and targeting, hacking, misinformation designed to destabilize American popular opinion (klam used to love RT). Russia has been doing these things continually for decades

The Russians, after a short hiatus from 1992-1999 (when we had a window where we should have shown more good will), have always been one of our greatest foes - and they do to us precisely what we allow them to. When they perceive weakness, they act more boldly. Your suggestion is pure lefty reactionist BS .... in your world it ain't a problem until your own ox gets gored.

Our intel services (that now suddenly enjoy spotless credibility on the left) have also regarded Russia as a top adversary since the wall went up, and they still do.

The tools and methods have changed but the game is the same


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Good work, I was wondering if everybody forgot who created this clusterfuck in the first place, out of what had to be personal animus toward Hillary. And who got caught flat-footed and slack-jawed by events like the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Otoh, the enemy of my enemy is my friend and how sweet would it be to see both the Republican Party and the FBI go down together like Gandalf and the Balrog?....

[Winterborn]

Otoh, the enemy of my enemy is my friend and how sweet would it be to see both the Republican Party and the FBI go down together like Gandalf and the Balrog?....

Gandalf didn't die but came back stronger after that battle and helped save the world. Which means (using your illustration), the Republican Party does wind up being involved in saving the country.

[GannonFan]

Your understanding of our relationship with Russia since 1992 leaves much to be desired -

That said, I LOVE your spin - suggesting that somehow the Russians weren't as bad in 2015 as they are now

I know having a Russian wife is sorta akin to being able to see Russia from your front yard, but this is softheaded ... even for you

BTW- I consider LOTS of things to be acts of war - hazarding vessels and aircraft, belligerent airspace violations, using active electronic jamming and targeting, hacking, misinformation designed to destabilize American popular opinion (klam used to love RT). Russia has been doing these things continually for decades

The Russians, after a short hiatus from 1992-1999 (when we had a window where we should have shown more good will), have always been one of our greatest foes - and they do to us precisely what we allow them to. When they perceive weakness, they act more boldly. Your suggestion is pure lefty reactionist BS .... in your world it ain't a problem until your own ox gets gored.

Our intel services (that now suddenly enjoy spotless credibility on the left) have also regarded Russia as a top adversary since the wall went up, and they still do.

The tools and methods have changed but the game is the same


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Good work, I was wondering if everybody forgot who created this **** in the first place, out of what had to be personal animus toward Hillary. And who got caught flat-footed and slack-jawed by events like the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Otoh, the enemy of my enemy is my friend and how sweet would it be to see both the Republican Party and the FBI go down together like Gandalf and the Balrog?....

Uh, dude, did you stop watching at that point? Not to spoil it for you but...

Spoiler: show

Gandalf comes back as the White Wizard

, just saying. The analogy needs some work.

[SDHornet]

Otoh, the enemy of my enemy is my friend and how sweet would it be to see both the Republican Party and the FBI go down together like Gandalf and the Balrog?....

Gandalf didn't die but came back stronger after that battle and helped save the world. Which means (using your illustration), the Republican Party does wind up being involved in saving the country.

More howndie failboat.