The disappointment is what......a month old? Sorry Conk....Trump wasted his Mueller Report honeymoon by not releasing this earlier. Now he & Barr just look like they have conspired to set up a perfectly edited release that exonerates him of everything. Are you REALLY excited about this?CID1990 wrote:Hah hahmainejeff wrote:
This is all a big yawner. It won't change minds on either side. Everyone knows that to expect. Trump is already in the middle of a Tweetstorm. Wash....rinse....repeat.
Again......*YAWN*.
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When Trump wins a second term because the Dems couldn’t stifle the crazy you’ll be on 15 minute watch like Jelly, Mr I Could Care Lessmainejeff wrote:The disappointment is what......a month old? Sorry Conk....Trump wasted his Mueller Report honeymoon by not releasing this earlier. Now he & Barr just look like they have conspired to set up a perfectly edited release that exonerates him of everything. Are you REALLY excited about this?CID1990 wrote:
Hah hah
Your disappointment is palpable
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America is on a path to its own self destruction.....I’m just lauging at the stupidity of it all.
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Welcome to the Conservative Club, circa forever agomainejeff wrote:America is on a path to its own self destruction.....I’m just lauging at the stupidity of it all.
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Barr has absolutely no upper lip. Never trust anyone with no upper lip!
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Reading between the lines from what Barr is saying:
1. Trump wasn't on his best behavior and had to be put in timeout once or twice, but he ultimately didn't impede Mueller from getting any information.
2. No collusion, but Trump teamed up with shady individuals in his campaign.
Arguments will go on about whether or not actions described in #1 are obstruction, only hardcore leftists will still cling to Russia conspiracy.
1. Trump wasn't on his best behavior and had to be put in timeout once or twice, but he ultimately didn't impede Mueller from getting any information.
2. No collusion, but Trump teamed up with shady individuals in his campaign.
Arguments will go on about whether or not actions described in #1 are obstruction, only hardcore leftists will still cling to Russia conspiracy.
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Who can be excited about it? Days like today are why Trump keeps winning. Dems go crazy criticizing the process and motivations of the AG, but in the end, there's no smoking gun saying that Trump worked with the Russians to do anything. Obstruction isn't clear and certainly not enough to warrant an impeachment or an indictment, so in the end it's all a bunch of Twitter storms, and that's where Trump likes to be anyway. He didn't "waste" the honeymoon period, this is exactly where he wants to be anyway - always on the tip of controversy. When he did all of this in the campaign that led to him being elected it was new and surprising. Now it's just a tried and true playbook for him and Pelosi and Schumer look a lot like Rubio and Jeb Bush in all of this.mainejeff wrote:The disappointment is what......a month old? Sorry Conk....Trump wasted his Mueller Report honeymoon by not releasing this earlier. Now he & Barr just look like they have conspired to set up a perfectly edited release that exonerates him of everything. Are you REALLY excited about this?CID1990 wrote:
Hah hah
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Where’s houndawg with his “republicans would own the world if they weren’t so stupid” schtick?GannonFan wrote:Who can be excited about it? Days like today are why Trump keeps winning. Dems go crazy criticizing the process and motivations of the AG, but in the end, there's no smoking gun saying that Trump worked with the Russians to do anything. Obstruction isn't clear and certainly not enough to warrant an impeachment or an indictment, so in the end it's all a bunch of Twitter storms, and that's where Trump likes to be anyway. He didn't "waste" the honeymoon period, this is exactly where he wants to be anyway - always on the tip of controversy. When he did all of this in the campaign that led to him being elected it was new and surprising. Now it's just a tried and true playbook for him and Pelosi and Schumer look a lot like Rubio and Jeb Bush in all of this.mainejeff wrote:
The disappointment is what......a month old? Sorry Conk....Trump wasted his Mueller Report honeymoon by not releasing this earlier. Now he & Barr just look like they have conspired to set up a perfectly edited release that exonerates him of everything. Are you REALLY excited about this?
They are looking like the second stupidest in the room right now
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Oh but 6 weeks ago there wasnt a person on the planet with more integrity and gravitas than Barr.mainejeff wrote:Barr has absolutely no upper lip. Never trust anyone with no upper lip!
I love seeing that flip flop from the left.... Like nobody can see the hypocrisy! LOL (We do see it)
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Huh? The left has been anti-Barr as soon as he was floated as a candidate for the AG role - they've been very consistent in that. It was Mueller whom the left deified and now is just lukewarm on. But they've always hated Barr.ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Oh but 6 weeks ago there wasnt a person on the planet with more integrity and gravitas than Barr.mainejeff wrote:Barr has absolutely no upper lip. Never trust anyone with no upper lip!
I love seeing that flip flop from the left.... Like nobody can see the hypocrisy! LOL (We do see it)
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Die thread Die.
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It's not going to die. At this point it's pretty clear that the report documents a lot of bad behavior by the President. Even with respect to the "collusion" thing. It's like I suspected the situation is. There was not sufficient evidence to support a beyond a reasonable doubt case that people in the Trump campaign engaged in a criminal conspiracy with the Russian government with respect to two specific Russian government efforts. But there was LOTs of playing footsie between Trump campaign and Russians in general.css75 wrote:Die thread Die.
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On the obstruction front, Mueller actually said the President engaged in corrupt actions. Here's the quote of the report from the Reuters article at https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1RU0DN:
That both says Trump engaged in corrupt exercise of powers and points to the idea that Congress should take a look at it.“The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the President’s corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law,” the report stated.
Another quote from the article:
Sure, it's better for Trump that Mueller didn't find sufficient evidence to say there was criminal conspiracy with the Russian government. But from what I've seen so far I don't think that report makes Trump look good at all.Mueller also unearthed “numerous links” between the Russian government and Trump’s campaign and said the president’s team “expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts,” referring to hacked Democratic emails.
What's going to happen is that Trump zombies are going to continue to believe that the Trump campaign did nothing wrong while normal people are going to continue to understand that it did.
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One thing I'll give Barr is that he left enough un-redacted to provide sufficient basis for some independent assessment of the report. I am not going to read the 400 page report. But as I watch quotes from it reported my prediction is that people who think this is good for the President are sadly mistaken.
No, it won't shake the Trump zombies. Jesus Christ could come down to them and say "Trump is corrupt!" and they'd say "FAKE NEWS." They have no connection to reality.
But that report is not good for Trump. Not as bad for him as if it'd have said there was criminal conspiracy with the Russian government with respect to two specific Russian government efforts. But not good for him.
No, it won't shake the Trump zombies. Jesus Christ could come down to them and say "Trump is corrupt!" and they'd say "FAKE NEWS." They have no connection to reality.
But that report is not good for Trump. Not as bad for him as if it'd have said there was criminal conspiracy with the Russian government with respect to two specific Russian government efforts. But not good for him.
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I ready the Executive summary and skimmed over the rest. There's literally nothing that I didn't either know or strongly surmised.
Basically, Trump hired shady people on his campaign and transition team and didn't care how the sausage was made. His firing of Comey was more out of impulsiveness, paranoia, and hurt ego than it was to try and stifle the SC investigation (which he didn't do in any meaningful way).
And of course, there is no willful collusion on the part of the campaign (report emphasizes it was looking for conspiracy and not collusion, of which there was none) with Russians.
I would say overall it is good for Trump, but remember here that the bar for that is set really low. Obviously it doesn't paint Trump in a positive light but what have we learned about him that we didn't already know?
Basically, Trump hired shady people on his campaign and transition team and didn't care how the sausage was made. His firing of Comey was more out of impulsiveness, paranoia, and hurt ego than it was to try and stifle the SC investigation (which he didn't do in any meaningful way).
And of course, there is no willful collusion on the part of the campaign (report emphasizes it was looking for conspiracy and not collusion, of which there was none) with Russians.
I would say overall it is good for Trump, but remember here that the bar for that is set really low. Obviously it doesn't paint Trump in a positive light but what have we learned about him that we didn't already know?
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Trump will spend the next 18 months trying not to get impeached...
Hopefully that keeps him busy enough that he actually stops tweeting
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Helps to not have twitter.Chizzang wrote:Trump will spend the next 18 months trying not to get impeached...
Hopefully that keeps him busy enough that he actually stops tweeting
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I don't have twitter...Winterborn wrote:Helps to not have twitter.Chizzang wrote:Trump will spend the next 18 months trying not to get impeached...
Hopefully that keeps him busy enough that he actually stops tweeting
but the press globally has twitter and Trump continues to type up the stupidest comments on twitter
Anyway...
the dingbat won't get impeached but he'll be kept very busy
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John- is there anything, anywhere that DOES make Trump look good?JohnStOnge wrote:It's not going to die. At this point it's pretty clear that the report documents a lot of bad behavior by the President. Even with respect to the "collusion" thing. It's like I suspected the situation is. There was not sufficient evidence to support a beyond a reasonable doubt case that people in the Trump campaign engaged in a criminal conspiracy with the Russian government with respect to two specific Russian government efforts. But there was LOTs of playing footsie between Trump campaign and Russians in general.css75 wrote:Die thread Die.
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That both says Trump engaged in corrupt exercise of powers and points to the idea that Congress should take a look at it.“The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the President’s corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law,” the report stated.
Another quote from the article:
Sure, it's better for Trump that Mueller didn't find sufficient evidence to say there was criminal conspiracy with the Russian government. But from what I've seen so far I don't think that report makes Trump look good at all.Mueller also unearthed “numerous links” between the Russian government and Trump’s campaign and said the president’s team “expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts,” referring to hacked Democratic emails.
What's going to happen is that Trump zombies are going to continue to believe that the Trump campaign did nothing wrong while normal people are going to continue to understand that it did.
He won an election after: refusing to release his taxes, grabbing pussies, making fun of a reporter in a wheelchair, refusing to get clear of the emoluments act, etc etc etc.
Everything Trump did that could be considered obstruction is hardly an outlier for him. And, just about everyone in this thread has acknowledged that Trump’s actions *could* rise to the level of obstruction.
But the Dems are going to continue beating this drum without impeaching the guy and it is only going to erase any negative bump he would get if they just let the report speak for itself. If anything, in the balance this is going to boost the guy.
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Chizzang wrote:I don't have twitter...Winterborn wrote:
Helps to not have twitter.
but the press globally has twitter and Trump continues to type up the stupidest comments on twitter
Anyway...
the dingbat won't get impeached but he'll be kept very busy
Valid point.
Past presidents have pretty much disappeared from the limelight after they are done serving. Which in Trump's case, I doubt will happen.
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One thing I noticed in the report is that there was possibly enough out there to get the FISA warrant independent of the Steele fabrication. The upcoming IG report will probably tell us how much weight it was given.
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So where does that leave you?JohnStOnge wrote:It's not going to die. At this point it's pretty clear that the report documents a lot of bad behavior by the President. Even with respect to the "collusion" thing. It's like I suspected the situation is. There was not sufficient evidence to support a beyond a reasonable doubt case that people in the Trump campaign engaged in a criminal conspiracy with the Russian government with respect to two specific Russian government efforts. But there was LOTs of playing footsie between Trump campaign and Russians in general.css75 wrote:Die thread Die.
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On the obstruction front, Mueller actually said the President engaged in corrupt actions. Here's the quote of the report from the Reuters article at https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1RU0DN:
That both says Trump engaged in corrupt exercise of powers and points to the idea that Congress should take a look at it.“The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the President’s corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law,” the report stated.
Another quote from the article:
Sure, it's better for Trump that Mueller didn't find sufficient evidence to say there was criminal conspiracy with the Russian government. But from what I've seen so far I don't think that report makes Trump look good at all.Mueller also unearthed “numerous links” between the Russian government and Trump’s campaign and said the president’s team “expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts,” referring to hacked Democratic emails.
What's going to happen is that Trump zombies are going to continue to believe that the Trump campaign did nothing wrong while normal people are going to continue to understand that it did.
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But that won’t stop you from giving 400 pages worth of analysis..JohnStOnge wrote:One thing I'll give Barr is that he left enough un-redacted to provide sufficient basis for some independent assessment of the report. I am not going to read the 400 page report. But as I watch quotes from it reported my prediction is that people who think this is good for the President are sadly mistaken.
No, it won't shake the Trump zombies. Jesus Christ could come down to them and say "Trump is corrupt!" and they'd say "FAKE NEWS." They have no connection to reality.
But that report is not good for Trump. Not as bad for him as if it'd have said there was criminal conspiracy with the Russian government with respect to two specific Russian government efforts. But not good for him.
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And the dingbat MSM press continues their full batshit crazy TDS meltdown..Chizzang wrote:I don't have twitter...Winterborn wrote:
Helps to not have twitter.
but the press globally has twitter and Trump continues to type up the stupidest comments on twitter
Anyway...
the dingbat won't get impeached but he'll be kept very busy
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I don't need to remind you that you thought the Covington Catholic kids instigated race riots.JohnStOnge wrote:One thing I'll give Barr is that he left enough un-redacted to provide sufficient basis for some independent assessment of the report. I am not going to read the 400 page report. But as I watch quotes from it reported my prediction is that people who think this is good for the President are sadly mistaken.
No, it won't shake the Trump zombies. Jesus Christ could come down to them and say "Trump is corrupt!" and they'd say "FAKE NEWS." They have no connection to reality.
But that report is not good for Trump. Not as bad for him as if it'd have said there was criminal conspiracy with the Russian government with respect to two specific Russian government efforts. But not good for him.
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