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Gil Dobie wrote:Heading to Green Bay?
No way. There has to be someone else available. He's not even one of the top 100 QB's in football.

(after leading a team to the Superbowl).
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kalm wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:Heading to Green Bay?
No way. There has to be someone else available. He's not even one of the top 100 QB's in football.

(after leading a team to the Superbowl).
I don’t even know why this is even a debate

It’s obvious that teams are steering away from him and it has little to do with his ability

Pro football is a business, and anything that drops ratings or ticket sales is bad for business. If I was an owner I wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole either... he’s too much of a lightning rod

It has little to do with “racism” either - but that’s all that’s left to Kapernick’s supporters at this point. He created this problem for himself and now wants to whine about racism being why he’s watching football on TV on Sunday
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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
No way. There has to be someone else available. He's not even one of the top 100 QB's in football.

(after leading a team to the Superbowl).
I don’t even know why this is even a debate

It’s obvious that teams are steering away from him and it has little to do with his ability

Pro football is a business, and anything that drops ratings or ticket sales is bad for business. If I was an owner I wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole either... he’s too much of a lightning rod

It has little to do with “racism” either - but that’s all that’s left to Kapernick’s supporters at this point. He created this problem for himself and now wants to whine about racism being why he’s watching football on TV on Sunday
He's no more than a back-up QB in the NFL - he didn't "lead" his team to the Super Bowl anymore than Trent Dilfer "led" the 2000 Ravens not only to the Super Bowl but winning it. In the years after San Fran's D fell apart Kaepernick was terrible. Now, is he better than most of the back-ups on NFL rosters today? Of course he is. But back-ups are not afforded the star treatment that starting QB's are. If you're a top level, starting QB in the NFL, you can be a rapist (re: Roethlisberger) or a former animal killer (re: Vick) or anything similar and they'll find a spot for you because quality starting NFL QB's are a rare breed. If all you're going to do is stand on the sideline with a baseball cap on and maybe help with the signals, well, anybody can do that and therefore they can afford to be picky and drop guys, like Kaepernick, who cause public relations issues or whose girlfriend tweets that the GM of a team about to sign him (the Ravens last year) is an Uncle Tom (in reference to Ozzie Newsome). He won't win any games for you and he'll piss off your fanbase - why is that a recipe for someone you need to hire?
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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
No way. There has to be someone else available. He's not even one of the top 100 QB's in football.

(after leading a team to the Superbowl).
I don’t even know why this is even a debate

It’s obvious that teams are steering away from him and it has little to do with his ability

Pro football is a business, and anything that drops ratings or ticket sales is bad for business. If I was an owner I wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole either... he’s too much of a lightning rod

It has little to do with “racism” either - but that’s all that’s left to Kapernick’s supporters at this point. He created this problem for himself and now wants to whine about racism being why he’s watching football on TV on Sunday
It's tough to own something for the long haul
Keapernick rolled the dice and now he has to own it forever

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GannonFan wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
I don’t even know why this is even a debate

It’s obvious that teams are steering away from him and it has little to do with his ability

Pro football is a business, and anything that drops ratings or ticket sales is bad for business. If I was an owner I wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole either... he’s too much of a lightning rod

It has little to do with “racism” either - but that’s all that’s left to Kapernick’s supporters at this point. He created this problem for himself and now wants to whine about racism being why he’s watching football on TV on Sunday
He's no more than a back-up QB in the NFL - he didn't "lead" his team to the Super Bowl anymore than Trent Dilfer "led" the 2000 Ravens not only to the Super Bowl but winning it. In the years after San Fran's D fell apart Kaepernick was terrible. Now, is he better than most of the back-ups on NFL rosters today? Of course he is. But back-ups are not afforded the star treatment that starting QB's are. If you're a top level, starting QB in the NFL, you can be a rapist (re: Roethlisberger) or a former animal killer (re: Vick) or anything similar and they'll find a spot for you because quality starting NFL QB's are a rare breed. If all you're going to do is stand on the sideline with a baseball cap on and maybe help with the signals, well, anybody can do that and therefore they can afford to be picky and drop guys, like Kaepernick, who cause public relations issues or whose girlfriend tweets that the GM of a team about to sign him (the Ravens last year) is an Uncle Tom (in reference to Ozzie Newsome). He won't win any games for you and he'll piss off your fanbase - why is that a recipe for someone you need to hire?
She must be really good in the sack because she's cost him a lot.
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GannonFan wrote:
He's no more than a back-up QB in the NFL - he didn't "lead" his team to the Super Bowl anymore than Trent Dilfer "led" the 2000 Ravens not only to the Super Bowl but winning it. In the years after San Fran's D fell apart Kaepernick was terrible. Now, is he better than most of the back-ups on NFL rosters today? Of course he is. But back-ups are not afforded the star treatment that starting QB's are. If you're a top level, starting QB in the NFL, you can be a rapist (re: Roethlisberger) or a former animal killer (re: Vick) or anything similar and they'll find a spot for you because quality starting NFL QB's are a rare breed. If all you're going to do is stand on the sideline with a baseball cap on and maybe help with the signals, well, anybody can do that and therefore they can afford to be picky and drop guys, like Kaepernick, who cause public relations issues or whose girlfriend tweets that the GM of a team about to sign him (the Ravens last year) is an Uncle Tom (in reference to Ozzie Newsome). He won't win any games for you and he'll piss off your fanbase - why is that a recipe for someone you need to hire?
She must be really good in the sack because she's cost him a lot.
Assuming he wants to be a football player. There's plenty of speculation about whether he's really interested in playing again (although he certainly wants to be paid again).
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Gil Dobie wrote:Heading to Green Bay?
The guy who mentioned this as a possibility during the SNF game mentioned Romo coming out of retirement as a much more likely possibility. There are also some possible trades to make, but as of now it looks like if any of THOSE happen, they will be to upgrade the backup behind the guy who replaced Rodgers.

And they ESPECIALLY squashed any potential fan clamor to go after Favre. He's 48, and about the only guy I know of who played at 48 was George Blanda, who played CONTINUOUSLY until 48, AND he had the added excuse of mostly kicking his last several years; he didn't have to come on at 48 after several years of retirement IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON.
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GannonFan wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
I don’t even know why this is even a debate

It’s obvious that teams are steering away from him and it has little to do with his ability

Pro football is a business, and anything that drops ratings or ticket sales is bad for business. If I was an owner I wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole either... he’s too much of a lightning rod

It has little to do with “racism” either - but that’s all that’s left to Kapernick’s supporters at this point. He created this problem for himself and now wants to whine about racism being why he’s watching football on TV on Sunday
He's no more than a back-up QB in the NFL - he didn't "lead" his team to the Super Bowl anymore than Trent Dilfer "led" the 2000 Ravens not only to the Super Bowl but winning it. In the years after San Fran's D fell apart Kaepernick was terrible. Now, is he better than most of the back-ups on NFL rosters today? Of course he is. But back-ups are not afforded the star treatment that starting QB's are. If you're a top level, starting QB in the NFL, you can be a rapist (re: Roethlisberger) or a former animal killer (re: Vick) or anything similar and they'll find a spot for you because quality starting NFL QB's are a rare breed. If all you're going to do is stand on the sideline with a baseball cap on and maybe help with the signals, well, anybody can do that and therefore they can afford to be picky and drop guys, like Kaepernick, who cause public relations issues or whose girlfriend tweets that the GM of a team about to sign him (the Ravens last year) is an Uncle Tom (in reference to Ozzie Newsome). He won't win any games for you and he'll piss off your fanbase - why is that a recipe for someone you need to hire?
My point is that he's a capable QB. Whether he's good enough for a starting position is debatable (and I would tend to agree with you that's he's backup material and not much else). Plenty of teams are in a position where they could make use of him - the Packers are in that position right now

I'm not even sure he *wants* to play at this point - I'm almost certain he doesn't want to be a second or third fiddle - but my ultimate point is that if Colin Kapernick had better control over Colin Kapernick's sideline shenanigans- he would be on SOMEBODY's roster right now. But it is a business decision and nothing more - and the fact that people who should know better are making it about race are being willfully ignorant (and they aren't scrutinizing the typical NFL roster all that well, either)
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Congressman Roy Moore of Alabama claims kneeling during Anthem is "Illegal" a federal crime..

:rofl: And the hilarity continues

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/roy-moore- ... al-anthem/
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Chizzang wrote:Congressman Roy Moore of Alabama claims kneeling during Anthem is "Illegal" a federal crime..

:rofl: And the hilarity continues

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/roy-moore- ... al-anthem/
Soccer teams in Germany are talking up the cause too. CK gone worldwide... :lol:
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Chizzang wrote:Congressman Roy Moore of Alabama claims kneeling during Anthem is "Illegal" a federal crime..

:rofl: And the hilarity continues

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/roy-moore- ... al-anthem/
I don't know why this surprises anyone anymore

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Chizzang wrote:Congressman Roy Moore of Alabama claims kneeling during Anthem is "Illegal" a federal crime..

:rofl: And the hilarity continues

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/roy-moore- ... al-anthem/
Not technically illegal, but it IS something done on company time that may be contrary to company values (and therefore punishable by the team) AND fails to address the issue they want to address. Therefore, it may not be "illegal," but it's definitely stupid.
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SuperHornet wrote:
Chizzang wrote:Congressman Roy Moore of Alabama claims kneeling during Anthem is "Illegal" a federal crime..

:rofl: And the hilarity continues

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/roy-moore- ... al-anthem/
Not technically illegal, but it IS something done on company time that may be contrary to company values (and therefore punishable by the team) AND fails to address the issue they want to address. Therefore, it may not be "illegal," but it's definitely stupid.
As usual you never miss an opportunity to miss the point...
This is America, not standing for an anthem will never be a crime
No matter how stupid and vengeful our presidents might be or become

And the players are itching for the owners to not play them for kneeling
It plays right into the hands of the peaceful protesters tactics

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Chizzang wrote:Congressman Roy Moore of Alabama claims kneeling during Anthem is "Illegal" a federal crime..

:rofl: And the hilarity continues

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/roy-moore- ... al-anthem/
Minor point...Roy Moore is not a Congressman...he is a candidate for Senate...




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I love this quote from Michael Bennett:
In regards to the NFL considering ruling that players must stand

"If teams don't want guys to play, even if you think about what Jerry Jones said, it's crazy,"
Bennett said. "It's inconsistent with the notion of a person being a human being. To me, I just thought it reminded me of the Dred Scott case. You're property, so you don't have the ability to be a person first. And I think in this generation that sends the wrong message to young kids and young people across the world: that your employer doesn't see you as a human being; they see you as a piece of property."
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I think some white players (if there haven't been any yet), should start kneeling, to support the message Kaepernick is trying to get across.

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Chizzang wrote:I love this quote from Michael Bennett:
In regards to the NFL considering ruling that players must stand

"If teams don't want guys to play, even if you think about what Jerry Jones said, it's crazy,"
Bennett said. "It's inconsistent with the notion of a person being a human being. To me, I just thought it reminded me of the Dred Scott case. You're property, so you don't have the ability to be a person first. And I think in this generation that sends the wrong message to young kids and young people across the world: that your employer doesn't see you as a human being; they see you as a piece of property."
This Michael Bennett guy (whoever that is) doesn't get it. I assume he's a black NFL player? An employee at work in uniform doesn't have freedom of speech or freedom of actions. They have to do what their employer tells them to. If he doesn't like it he can take his uppity ass (that I assume is being paid a 7-8 figure multi year contract) somewhere else and find another job. To say that an employer saying that while at work in uniform has to stand for the anthem = "inconsistent with the notion of a person being a human being" just shows you how :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: some of these players are..
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BDKJMU wrote:
Chizzang wrote:I love this quote from Michael Bennett:
In regards to the NFL considering ruling that players must stand

"If teams don't want guys to play, even if you think about what Jerry Jones said, it's crazy,"
Bennett said. "It's inconsistent with the notion of a person being a human being. To me, I just thought it reminded me of the Dred Scott case. You're property, so you don't have the ability to be a person first. And I think in this generation that sends the wrong message to young kids and young people across the world: that your employer doesn't see you as a human being; they see you as a piece of property."
This Michael Bennett guy (whoever that is) doesn't get it. I assume he's a black NFL player? An employee at work in uniform doesn't have freedom of speech or freedom of actions. They have to do what their employee tells them to. If he doesn't like it he can take his uppity ass (that I assume is being paid a 7-8 figure multi year contract) somewhere else and find another job. To say that an employer saying that while at work in uniform has to stand for the anthem = "inconsistent with the notion of a person being a human being" just shows you how :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: some of these players are..
Just who exactly it is that "Isn't getting it" is debatable...

If the Owners are willing to put their money where there mouth is and actually sit players
or terminate contracts then so be it...
Micheal Bennett agrees that actions have consequences
for both sides

If the owners sit all the kneeling players I'd love to see that
The outcome would be extremely entertaining

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The players aren't as confused as you are - that much is obvious - they know the potential outcomes
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Chizzang wrote:I love this quote from Michael Bennett:
In regards to the NFL considering ruling that players must stand

"If teams don't want guys to play, even if you think about what Jerry Jones said, it's crazy,"
Bennett said. "It's inconsistent with the notion of a person being a human being. To me, I just thought it reminded me of the Dred Scott case. You're property, so you don't have the ability to be a person first. And I think in this generation that sends the wrong message to young kids and young people across the world: that your employer doesn't see you as a human being; they see you as a piece of property."
I’m enjoying the fact that this reality is only a big deal when it affects a bunch of wealthy, preening contractors
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BDKJMU wrote:
Chizzang wrote:I love this quote from Michael Bennett:
In regards to the NFL considering ruling that players must stand

"If teams don't want guys to play, even if you think about what Jerry Jones said, it's crazy,"
Bennett said. "It's inconsistent with the notion of a person being a human being. To me, I just thought it reminded me of the Dred Scott case. You're property, so you don't have the ability to be a person first. And I think in this generation that sends the wrong message to young kids and young people across the world: that your employer doesn't see you as a human being; they see you as a piece of property."
This Michael Bennett guy (whoever that is) doesn't get it. I assume he's a black NFL player? An employee at work in uniform doesn't have freedom of speech or freedom of actions. They have to do what their employee tells them to. If he doesn't like it he can take his uppity ass (that I assume is being paid a 7-8 figure multi year contract) somewhere else and find another job. To say that an employer saying that while at work in uniform has to stand for the anthem = "inconsistent with the notion of a person being a human being" just shows you how :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: some of these players are..
I'm sorry you are so confused. :lol:

An employee never "has to" do what their employer tells them to do. And an employer owes them nothing other than their last paycheck (and/or other agreed upon contractual obligations but you get the point).
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kalm wrote:
BDKJMU wrote: This Michael Bennett guy (whoever that is) doesn't get it. I assume he's a black NFL player? An employee at work in uniform doesn't have freedom of speech or freedom of actions. They have to do what their employee tells them to. If he doesn't like it he can take his uppity ass (that I assume is being paid a 7-8 figure multi year contract) somewhere else and find another job. To say that an employer saying that while at work in uniform has to stand for the anthem = "inconsistent with the notion of a person being a human being" just shows you how :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: some of these players are..
I'm sorry you are so confused. :lol:

An employee never "has to" do what their employer tells them to do. And an employer owes them nothing other than their last paycheck (and/or other agreed upon contractual obligations but you get the point).
So you're saying he's the property of his employer and will do what he's told or he can go elsewhere. Kind of like every employer/employee relationship everywhere. Got it. :thumb:
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kalm wrote:
BDKJMU wrote: This Michael Bennett guy (whoever that is) doesn't get it. I assume he's a black NFL player? An employee at work in uniform doesn't have freedom of speech or freedom of actions. They have to do what their employee tells them to. If he doesn't like it he can take his uppity ass (that I assume is being paid a 7-8 figure multi year contract) somewhere else and find another job. To say that an employer saying that while at work in uniform has to stand for the anthem = "inconsistent with the notion of a person being a human being" just shows you how :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: some of these players are..
I'm sorry you are so confused. :lol:

An employee never "has to" do what their employer tells them to do. And an employer owes them nothing other than their last paycheck (and/or other agreed upon contractual obligations but you get the point).
Glad to see you agree with the "right to work" concept.


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CID1990 wrote:
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I'm sorry you are so confused. :lol:

An employee never "has to" do what their employer tells them to do. And an employer owes them nothing other than their last paycheck (and/or other agreed upon contractual obligations but you get the point).
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Nobody who is for the players right to kneel is saying the player can't be fired
The players have rights and the employers have rights

What we're mostly saying is
Lets see an owner fire a star player right there on the spot for taking a knee
put their money where Jerry Jones mouth is

And watch the other owners Robert Kraft
Immediately hire the fired player and honor their right to kneel

Lets watch that happen please (if there is a god)
Lets stop talking and set this thing in motion people
Q: Name something that offends Republicans?
A: The actual teachings of Jesus
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