Colin Kaepernick

[AZGrizFan]

I actually do disagree with the premise that black people are being killed wholesale by police in this country purely as a function of their identity, but that's another thread, and I have more important things to do with my time than trying to change angry minds

[CAA Flagship]

add to that ^ the number of active military and retired military
that think that silently kneeling is NOT being unpatriotic

Including my father who would argue that draft dodging and skirting service
on top of claiming to be smarter than all of our commanding officers and Generals
is considerably LESS patriotic than kneeling in silence

And include me in that group. Kneel away, I don’t give two shits.

Just don’t block the fucking freeway I’m trying to get to work on. cocksuckers.

Wait. Wut?

[CAA Flagship]

Whoever he was protesting against.
I wouldn't ask musicians what they think of the new NFL helmet rule.

Would you ask the musicians union..?

Yes. I would. But not the musicians. Too much drug use by musicians.

[AZGrizFan]

And include me in that group. Kneel away, I don’t give two shits.

Just don’t block the fucking freeway I’m trying to get to work on. cocksuckers.

Wait. Wut?

I don’t care how someone “protests”. But burning shit, tearing shit down, rioting, or blocking freeways is bullshit. That’s what I’m saying.

[houndawg]

I listened to it but she does the usual deliberate misconstruing. The players have been crystal clear about why they are taking a knee and it doesn't have anything to do with disrespecting the flag and has everything to do with blacks getting shot in the back. Sorry you're so blinded by partisanship that the message went way over your head.

Fact: the only time the flag gets disrespected at an NFL game is at halftime when they carry a giant flag horizontally - in direct violation of the Flag Code.

You’re right about the flag being routinely displayed improperly at football games, and the specific example you give isn’t the only one

But on your other point - it doesn’t matter

Kap and others have said why and what they are protesting and that’s fine- I see no reason to dispute what they are saying

But a protest like this is BY DESIGN controversial... if he was refusing to obey an NFL rule as his choice of protest then fewer people would be outraged. Or if he was wearing a black armband..

You can choose to protest in any way you want but you don’t get to choose how it is interpreted. And as sanctimonious as Kap’s defenders are about how he is being interpreted, let’s not forget who is complaining about personal public displays the most these days. like judicial aides flashing white power signs in confirmation hearings.... there’s a sh1t ton of manufactured outrage over stuff that would best be ignored and nobody is innocent

When I stand for the anthem the first thing that comes to my mind is not the military or the flag itself... but that’s my own personal belief. There are many people who do view rendering honors during the anthem as a tribute to our fallen, which is their prerogative, and viewing Kap’s protest as an affront to that is no less legitimate than the protest itself, particularly since we have all given ourselves a pass when it comes to being hair pulling drama queens

I sympathize with those who feel that way but I don't think that they're a very large fraction of the anti-CK crowd, I doubt most of them even bother to set down their beer when the anthem is played - now I'd like to see them do like they urged CK to do and put their money where their mouth is, maybe fund some scholarships for the children of cops that died in the line of duty, maybe pay ahead school lunches for kids that can't afford them, local pet rescue, something....btw, I saw online, so it must be true, that veterans can now render a military salute during the anthem - makes a nice counterpoint when you're wearing a tie dye

[houndawg]

so youre one of the 50,000

I would describe my dissatisfaction with "Black America" as more ambient than avid
It's a long conversation that can be summed up in a few words

Question:
If blacks aren't succeeding in America because of all the disadvantages
Where are they succeeding in this world..?

Answer:
Nowhere...

So there's a planet wide (global) conspiracy against black folks..?

They got the message about being uppity loud and clear in Tulsa back in '21...

[houndawg]

Actually I have ^ no idea...
But I agree with Kaepernick's right to kneel in protest of whatever he wants
Protesting is about as American as it gets - even protesting irrelevant or bad information

I think you do have an idea. We all have watched the culture wars. The "side" represented by those "against" the NFL players has been consistently losing. There's no reason to think that things will change.

I'm not talking about elections, BTW. I'm talking about the culture.

"..one generation got old, one generation got soul..." Grace Slick

[houndawg]

I didn't pick it... It was given to me (Imagine that today)

But it had a profound effect on me as I studied my defense
because I slowly realized that I'd lose if I tried to "defend" the position
So I decided to attack my opponents position

Leading with:
Please identify all the countries where black people are culturally integrating and succeeding
or flourishing under their own formal government rule



It's quite a conundrum once you lay it out there...

Wakanda

The nearest incorporated area to our place is the village of Makanda..

[CID1990]

You’re right about the flag being routinely displayed improperly at football games, and the specific example you give isn’t the only one

But on your other point - it doesn’t matter

Kap and others have said why and what they are protesting and that’s fine- I see no reason to dispute what they are saying

But a protest like this is BY DESIGN controversial... if he was refusing to obey an NFL rule as his choice of protest then fewer people would be outraged. Or if he was wearing a black armband..

You can choose to protest in any way you want but you don’t get to choose how it is interpreted. And as sanctimonious as Kap’s defenders are about how he is being interpreted, let’s not forget who is complaining about personal public displays the most these days. like judicial aides flashing white power signs in confirmation hearings.... there’s a sh1t ton of manufactured outrage over stuff that would best be ignored and nobody is innocent

When I stand for the anthem the first thing that comes to my mind is not the military or the flag itself... but that’s my own personal belief. There are many people who do view rendering honors during the anthem as a tribute to our fallen, which is their prerogative, and viewing Kap’s protest as an affront to that is no less legitimate than the protest itself, particularly since we have all given ourselves a pass when it comes to being hair pulling drama queens

I sympathize with those who feel that way but I don't think that they're a very large fraction of the anti-CK crowd, I doubt most of them even bother to set down their beer when the anthem is played - now I'd like to see them do like they urged CK to do and put their money where their mouth is, maybe fund some scholarships for the children of cops that died in the line of duty, maybe pay ahead school lunches for kids that can't afford them, local pet rescue, something....btw, I saw online, so it must be true, that veterans can now render a military salute during the anthem - makes a nice counterpoint when you're wearing a tie dye

You know what?

I'll bet everybody who gives a fvxk one way or the other couldn't fill Johnson Hagood Stadium

One day, internet archaeology will be a thing (if we arent back to fighting with sharpened sticks) and somebody will figure out that it was literally just 100,000 people who were shaping every narrative in the world


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[CAA Flagship]

Wait. Wut?

I don’t care how someone “protests”. But burning shit, tearing shit down, rioting, or blocking freeways is bullshit. That’s what I’m saying.

I think what you were trying to say is that you are trying to get to work on TIME. Instead, you said you were trying to get to work on cocksuckers.

[AZGrizFan]

I don’t care how someone “protests”. But burning shit, tearing shit down, rioting, or blocking freeways is bullshit. That’s what I’m saying.

I think what you were trying to say is that you are trying to get to work on TIME. Instead, you said you were trying to get to work on cocksuckers.

There was a period in there. Punctuation is important.

[houndawg]

I think what you were trying to say is that you are trying to get to work on TIME. Instead, you said you were trying to get to work on cocksuckers.

There was a period in there. Punctuation is important.

I should say so....

[CAA Flagship]

Kaepernick signed by the Seahawks?

[houndawg]

Just an FYI for CID and BDKJMU

I'm not confused about the consequences of protesting
at work or downtown or otherwise - all actions have reactions and consequences

But the fact still stands
There's nothing more American than protesting
whenever and wherever you think it will have the most effective response

Kaepernick guessed correctly
He's unemployed because of it but he's also made the most impact
Even if the impact is everybody thinks he's an idiot (See: Trump for impact results)

Next:
measuring the accuracy and credibility of his stance is not relevant
which seems to confuse most Conservatives
if everybody thought there was merit in his claim there would be no need to protest

See how that works BDKJMU
I know you don't
but give it another moment and read it slowly

I dont know why that's an FYI for me

I could care less about Kap's protest - it doesn't offend me any more than the other 50,000 people in the stadium who pay no attention to the anthem (in a variety of ways)

and I don't think Americans owe vets or cops or anybody else any more respect than they do the average dude

But I do think the reaction to Kap's NFL troubles is not something his defenders should be whining about - he got exactly what he was fishing for

I actually do disagree with the premise that black people are being killed wholesale by police in this country purely as a function of their identity, but that's another thread, and I have more important things to do with my time than trying to change angry minds


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I disagree with the "wholesale" part. Too many videos out there to disagree with the rest.

[AZGrizFan]

I disagree with the "wholesale" part. Too many videos out there to disagree with the rest.

Hows come the brothas don't video themselves shooting each OTHER?

[CID1990]

I dont know why that's an FYI for me

I could care less about Kap's protest - it doesn't offend me any more than the other 50,000 people in the stadium who pay no attention to the anthem (in a variety of ways)

and I don't think Americans owe vets or cops or anybody else any more respect than they do the average dude

But I do think the reaction to Kap's NFL troubles is not something his defenders should be whining about - he got exactly what he was fishing for

I actually do disagree with the premise that black people are being killed wholesale by police in this country purely as a function of their identity, but that's another thread, and I have more important things to do with my time than trying to change angry minds


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I disagree with the "wholesale" part. Too many videos out there to disagree with the rest.

Well there we have it

There’s videos, folks... lots of videos

Therefore, Black Pogrom

[houndawg]

I disagree with the "wholesale" part. Too many videos out there to disagree with the rest.

Hows come the brothas don't video themselves shooting each OTHER?

Good question. Why don't you start a thread on the subject.

[houndawg]

I disagree with the "wholesale" part. Too many videos out there to disagree with the rest.

Well there we have it

There’s videos, folks... lots of videos

Therefore, Black Pogrom

[CAA Flagship]

[CID1990]

Oh good lord

Pretty much anything in the US can be construed as having a link to slavery

I’m starting to think Kap just doesn’t like people

[CAA Flagship]

So Nike signed Kaepernick to a marketing contract last year and he causes a negative stir for the company.

Hey Nike, be careful with who you go to bed with. You too, Seahawks.


BTW, who would buy Betsy Ross flag sneakers?

[UNI88]

Oh good lord

Pretty much anything in the US can be construed as having a link to slavery

I’m starting to think Kap just doesn’t like people

I believe the concern is that some white supremacist groups use the flag as a symbol. Marketed properly, this could have been an opportunity to help take the flag back from groups that have co-opted it. How would those groups react if Kap endorsed the sneaker?

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[dbackjon]

So Nike signed Kaepernick to a marketing contract last year and he causes a negative stir for the company.

Hey Nike, be careful with who you go to bed with. You too, Seahawks.


BTW, who would buy Betsy Ross flag sneakers?

Stock prices and sales worldwide are up since then...

[AZGrizFan]

Hows come the brothas don't video themselves shooting each OTHER?

Good question. Why don't you start a thread on the subject.

I’d rather you just answer it here....

[dbackjon]

Oh good lord

Pretty much anything in the US can be construed as having a link to slavery

I’m starting to think Kap just doesn’t like people

I believe the concern is that some white supremacist groups use the flag as a symbol. Marketed properly, this could have been an opportunity to help take the flag back from groups that have co-opted it. How would those groups react if Kap endorsed the sneaker?

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Yup