That boy was eat up with the dumbass.Brock Landers wrote:POD Knows wrote:
Nah, you pretend to be smart but I am getting bored with this site so I think I will dedicate my time to trolling your posts, correcting your spelling errors, correcting your nonfactual posts even though you rarely cite facts. I will reply to each and every one of your posts with the same pithy, irrelevant, smart ass comments that you have mastered on this site and some others.
You will be my special project until I get bored.
BTW, I spelled douchebag wrong in my other post, why didn't you catch that one. I left it there for you, it was low hanging fruit.
This guy came here to make waves, but instead got himself all worked up. Job well done CS.
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I'm pretty sure JBB was strangled to death by D1B in a BDSM session that went overboard.houndawg wrote:...I've never seen him and JBB on here at the same time....AZGrizFan wrote:
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Says the guy on the CS.com Mt. Rushmore of thread beatdowns.houndawg wrote:That boy was eat up with the dumbass.Brock Landers wrote:
This guy came here to make waves, but instead got himself all worked up. Job well done CS.
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I own you bitches like Ali owned Liston.SDHornet wrote:Says the guy on the CS.com Mt. Rushmore of thread beatdowns.houndawg wrote:
That boy was eat up with the dumbass.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:Interesting theory...
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.
People say a second referendum is unlikely and political suicide. I don't think it is as unlikely as people think. So many who voted Leave now realize what the costs will be and how the Leave campaign has already broken major promises. It's finally sinking in that leaving the EU is going to mean the destruction of the United Kingdom. People now realize that once you leave the EU there is no coming back for decades.
The pressure for a second referendum will keep rising and how can a prime minister deny the will of the people who will want another democratic election. It is still democratic after all and if the people wish to leave the votes would reflect that. Of course the vote will likely heavily go towards Remain now the large chunk of undecided, soft Leave and people who didn't show up (screw them) actually go vote. The whole crisis will be averted and UKIP will have to make peace with that if it goes heavily towards Remain. Even Farrage wanted another referendum if it was 52/48 and that quote is going to haunt him for a long time.
Calling a second referendum might be political suicide for the next Tory prime minister but they are going to commit political suicide taking the position anyway and none of them really want that legacy.
Boris Johnson out.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/liv ... CMP=twt_gu
Who's going to step up, take over as Prime Minister, invoke Article 50, and guide the UK through this?
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Is a British accent required. Maybe we could send Donald over thereSkjellyfetti wrote:Skjellyfetti wrote:Interesting theory...
Boris Johnson out.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/liv ... CMP=twt_gu
Who's going to step up, take over as Prime Minister, invoke Article 50, and guide the UK through this?
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OL FU wrote:
Is a British accent required. Maybe we could send Donald over there
Donald Trump with a British accent... is... Boris Johnson.
Maybe Owen Wilson should lead it?
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Skjellyfetti wrote:OL FU wrote:
Is a British accent required. Maybe we could send Donald over there
Donald Trump with a British accent... is... Boris Johnson.
Maybe Owen Wilson should lead it?
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Shocking. International financiers who might be hurt by the Brexit who predicted Doom for the UK were wrong?
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07 ... ny-france/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07 ... ny-france/
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Now the excuse is, "well they havent left YET".Pwns wrote:Shocking. International financiers who might be hurt by the Brexit who predicted Doom for the UK were wrong?
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07 ... ny-france/
But I thought the narrative that the big banks needed to start immediately to get into the EU while Britain was still a member.
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Exit polls showing a hung parliament.
Doesn't look like May will get her mandate at the very least... but, we'll see.
Tories - 314 (-17)
Labour - 266 (+34)
SNP - 34 (-22)
Lib Dems 14 (+6)
Plaid - 3
Green - 1
UKIP - 0
Doesn't look like May will get her mandate at the very least... but, we'll see.
Tories - 314 (-17)
Labour - 266 (+34)
SNP - 34 (-22)
Lib Dems 14 (+6)
Plaid - 3
Green - 1
UKIP - 0
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I think that slowly, people are begin to reject the nationalistic wave that hit Europe in the last few years. First the Netherlands, then France, now this. The German elections later this year will be an interesting case study as well.
We've also seen a huge wave of nationalism here, but we'll see if it continues in 2018. Millennials and Centennials grew up in a connected world and a global (and sharing) economy, so nationalism is fairly foreign to the largest potential voting block in future elections.
And let's be honest, Brexit, May, and Trump may have sold people with rhetoric, but they're both doing terrible jobs selling people (especially younger people) on the benefits of nationalism over globalism.
We've also seen a huge wave of nationalism here, but we'll see if it continues in 2018. Millennials and Centennials grew up in a connected world and a global (and sharing) economy, so nationalism is fairly foreign to the largest potential voting block in future elections.
And let's be honest, Brexit, May, and Trump may have sold people with rhetoric, but they're both doing terrible jobs selling people (especially younger people) on the benefits of nationalism over globalism.
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Brexit since the vote:
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Young people don't vote. See Sanders, Bernie.∞∞∞ wrote:I think that slowly, people are begin to reject the nationalistic wave that hit Europe in the last few years. First the Netherlands, then France, now this. The German elections later this year will be an interesting case study as well.
We've also seen a huge wave of nationalism here, but we'll see if it continues in 2018. Millennials and Centennials grew up in a connected world and a global (and sharing) economy, so nationalism is fairly foreign to the largest potential voting block in future elections.
And let's be honest, Brexit, May, and Trump may have sold people with rhetoric, but they're both doing terrible jobs selling people (especially younger people) on the benefits of nationalism over globalism.
Also saw an article (NYT I think) that put a lot of Le Pens hopes of a victory on the turnout of young voters...where did you hear that before.
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Naivety smells funny.∞∞∞ wrote:Millennials and Centennials grew up in a connected world and a global (and sharing) economy, so nationalism is fairly foreign to the largest potential voting block in future elections.
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British politics is stranger than ours.
One of the candidates on stage with Teresa May is "Lord Buckethead"
Ni!
One of the candidates on stage with Teresa May is "Lord Buckethead"
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And let's also be honest, nationalism didn't just pop up as something to do for fun. It came into vogue because the status quo politicians who came before them had tried selling them just rhetoric, and they too did a terrible job of selling people on the benefits of globalism over nationalism. Those issues (income inequality, difficulty transitioning between jobs in the job market, difficulty moving up in the socio-economic ladder, increasing costs of the nation state and how to fund it, and then the European-specific issue of rampant immigration with significant assimilation impediments) haven't gone away and aren't going away. There are real problems in the world and championing one political viewpoint over another doesn't really get to the core of how to solve those issues. I don't think the answers are particularly obvious either.∞∞∞ wrote:I think that slowly, people are begin to reject the nationalistic wave that hit Europe in the last few years. First the Netherlands, then France, now this. The German elections later this year will be an interesting case study as well.
We've also seen a huge wave of nationalism here, but we'll see if it continues in 2018. Millennials and Centennials grew up in a connected world and a global (and sharing) economy, so nationalism is fairly foreign to the largest potential voting block in future elections.
And let's be honest, Brexit, May, and Trump may have sold people with rhetoric, but they're both doing terrible jobs selling people (especially younger people) on the benefits of nationalism over globalism.
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Don't know how anyone could vote for a party headed by an assclown like Jeremy Corbyn. We'll see how the effervescent Theresa May cobbles together a coalition.
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Lol.
What a shitshow.
Brexit Secretary resigns
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44761056
Brexiteer Boris Johnson resigns as Foreign Secretary - saying Brexit will leave Great Britain with the "status of a colony."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -secretary
What a shitshow.
Brexit Secretary resigns
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44761056
Brexiteer Boris Johnson resigns as Foreign Secretary - saying Brexit will leave Great Britain with the "status of a colony."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -secretary
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Theresa May faces catastrophic defeat in major Brexit vote as allies warn: ‘Winter is Coming’
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Yeah, just ugly political times in the UK - voters say they want to leave the EU, the politicians, after fumbling for the better part of a year, say no the any plans to leave the EU, and now you have to wonder what the UK wants. Political paralysis for sure.
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He's right, though.93henfan wrote:Naivety smells funny.∞∞∞ wrote:Millennials and Centennials grew up in a connected world and a global (and sharing) economy, so nationalism is fairly foreign to the largest potential voting block in future elections.
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Sounds familiar.GannonFan wrote:Yeah, just ugly political times in the UK - voters say they want to leave the EU, the politicians, after fumbling for the better part of a year, say no the any plans to leave the EU, and now you have to wonder what the UK wants. Political paralysis for sure.
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I agree, and I like I said before, it's the problem we face when status quo globalism fails to solve the repercussions of status quo globalism. People will look for answers elsewhere, no matter how detestable that elsewhere is.Skjellyfetti wrote:Sounds familiar.GannonFan wrote:Yeah, just ugly political times in the UK - voters say they want to leave the EU, the politicians, after fumbling for the better part of a year, say no the any plans to leave the EU, and now you have to wonder what the UK wants. Political paralysis for sure.
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Nationalists are doing a particularly bad job selling the concept to people like me who are experiencing nationalist agendas for the first time ever. Seems like a bunch of assholery and chaos.GannonFan wrote:I agree, and I like I said before, it's the problem we face when status quo globalism fails to solve the repercussions of status quo globalism. People will look for answers elsewhere, no matter how detestable that elsewhere is.Skjellyfetti wrote:
Sounds familiar.
Glad May's Brexit deal was defeated; hopefully the UK ends up staying in the EU.