Tough times in the Worker's Republic of Venezuela

[mrklean]

As long as they don't mess with the booty, I'm GOOD

Nothing like Venezuela Booty

[SDHornet]

Once again Jivytalk, badly, and STDHo left wiping their chins after yet a another bitching by chizz. Just like females who keep coming back for more beatings from their abuser.

/thread

Naw houndy you’ve read me all wrong and are trying to lump me in with the rest of the banking shills in your never ending quest to paint with a broad brush. I have no doubt in what Chizzy has laid out regarding the banks and their uncontrollable thirst for control and power. I don’t doubt Iraq’s and Libya’s quest for banking independence played a role in those conflicts. The banks have been running the show for a long time, and will continue to do so for as long as they can. They play both sides and do whatever is needed to retain their power.

Venezuela fucked up the end game. They are sitting on a crap ton of crude and had an energy desperate financial backer in China but squandered their hand with the broke dick idea of socialism. This concept that the government can control an economy even down to the price of a kilo of rice and chicken is comical and will fail every time. Venezuela serves as a perfect example of what happens when governments over reach in the name of “fairness”. The incentive to run and maintain a business disappears, people lose jobs and the problems become exasperated as the government tries to be the support system for the populace. It can’t work, it won’t work.

[Chizzang]

Once again Jivytalk, badly, and STDHo left wiping their chins after yet a another bitching by chizz. Just like females who keep coming back for more beatings from their abuser.

/thread

Naw houndy you’ve read me all wrong and are trying to lump me in with the rest of the banking shills in your never ending quest to paint with a broad brush. I have no doubt in what Chizzy has laid out regarding the banks and their uncontrollable thirst for control and power. I don’t doubt Iraq’s and Libya’s quest for banking independence played a role in those conflicts. The banks have been running the show for a long time, and will continue to do so for as long as they can. They play both sides and do whatever is needed to retain their power.

Venezuela fucked up the end game. They are sitting on a crap ton of crude and had an energy desperate financial backer in China but squandered their hand with the broke dick idea of socialism. This concept that the government can control an economy even down to the price of a kilo of rice and chicken is comical and will fail every time. Venezuela serves as a perfect example of what happens when governments over reach in the name of “fairness”. The incentive to run and maintain a business disappears, people lose jobs and the problems become exasperated as the government tries to be the support system for the populace. It can’t work, it won’t work.

Well said... ^

[Pwns]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/20/world/ame ... ezuela-qa/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://caracaschronicles.com/2014/02/20 ... e-changed/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Venezuelan Spring underway?

[Chizzang]

Here's what you can count on...
Venezuelan oil transactions will all be in US Funds by the time this is over
as was the case in Iraq and Libya (both had private banking systems) not trading oil in US Funds
Both were toppled
Both now trade in US Funds (as does OPEC)


I'm not saying anything - other than that

[Pwns]

Here's what you can count on...
Venezuelan oil transactions will all be in US Funds by the time this is over
as was the case in Iraq and Libya (both had private banking systems) not trading oil in US Funds
Both were toppled
Both now trade in US Funds (as does OPEC)


I'm not saying anything - other than that

So oil companies are causing the hyper inflation, arresting protestors, and product shortages?

[Chizzang]

Here's what you can count on...
Venezuelan oil transactions will all be in US Funds by the time this is over
as was the case in Iraq and Libya (both had private banking systems) not trading oil in US Funds
Both were toppled
Both now trade in US Funds (as does OPEC)


I'm not saying anything - other than that

So oil companies are causing the hyper inflation, arresting protestors, and product shortages?

I'm shocked..!!!

Why would anybody ever think that American Oil Companies would do something like that
When they have a perfectly good Central Intelligence Agency and Full Military to do those things for them

American Mining Companies and Oil Companies are not at War in Afghanistan
The US Military is / for them
Or Freedom and Democracy

(You can believe whichever one makes more sense)

[89Hen]

More government seizures of businesses, runaway inflation, price controls creating free-for-alls at stores, and rapidly escalating government debt. Meanwhile, the government blames everyone and everything except for the economic system and is threatening to jail opposition leaders.

But I guess the US media is just conspiring to make Venezuela look bad.

How long before US churches are collecting canned goods to send over there?

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/ar ... -78205642/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

These people need to learn that government control is in their best interest.

I bet their health care system is amazing.

No shit. Love to see our Lib friends deny they liked Chavez now.

[JohnStOnge]

Ah, Venezuela. A poster child for the "if you're poor it's somebody else's fault" mentality.

[Cap'n Cat]

Ignorant fuckin' Conks.

[Chizzang]

Ah, Venezuela. A poster child for the "if you're poor it's somebody else's fault" mentality.

Dear john,
That statement ^ is so grossly inaccurate and misleading its hard to even respond to it
What you know about Venezuela couldn't fill the back of a post card in crayon
Stick with diatoms nematodes and fundamentalist Christianity (thanks)

You continue to show how NOT truth oriented you actually are

[CID1990]

Ah, Venezuela. A poster child for the "if you're poor it's somebody else's fault" mentality.

Dear john,
That statement ^ is so grossly inaccurate and misleading its hard to even respond to it
What you know about Venezuela couldn't fill the back of a post card in crayon

You continue to show how NOT truth oriented you actually are

Yes, but I do know a lot about Venezuela and he's not entirely incorrect. There are a few different dynamics in play there right now, but the most prevalent one is economic populism... i.e.: my economic problems have nothing to do with my dysfunctional government and everything to do with the rich.

[Chizzang]

Dear john,
That statement ^ is so grossly inaccurate and misleading its hard to even respond to it
What you know about Venezuela couldn't fill the back of a post card in crayon

You continue to show how NOT truth oriented you actually are

Yes, but I do know a lot about Venezuela and he's not entirely incorrect. There are a few different dynamics in play there right now, but the most prevalent one is economic populism... i.e.: my economic problems have nothing to do with my dysfunctional government and everything to do with the rich.

The History of Venezuela reads like a Greek tragedy
and to just make such a broad sweeping statement about that country is akin to saying

America:
Poster child of stupidity and ignorant gun toting rednecks

[kalm]

Dear john,
That statement ^ is so grossly inaccurate and misleading its hard to even respond to it
What you know about Venezuela couldn't fill the back of a post card in crayon

You continue to show how NOT truth oriented you actually are

Yes, but I do know a lot about Venezuela and he's not entirely incorrect. There are a few different dynamics in play there right now, but the most prevalent one is economic populism... i.e.: my economic problems have nothing to do with my dysfunctional government and everything to do with the rich.

Do the rich also favor keeping oil profits in country or does populism always have to coincide with socialism?

[CID1990]

Yes, but I do know a lot about Venezuela and he's not entirely incorrect. There are a few different dynamics in play there right now, but the most prevalent one is economic populism... i.e.: my economic problems have nothing to do with my dysfunctional government and everything to do with the rich.

Do the rich also favor keeping oil profits in country or does populism always have to coincide with socialism?

Of course not and you know it, Mr Rhetorical Question.

Barack Obama is currently engaging in one of the most crass forms of economic populism, so there's a good example of it existing independently of communism.

But, with a clearer understanding of state communism you'd know that they don't truly exist together anyway. Established state communism is the end result of successful populist political activity- they are like the horse and the cart. The Bolivarian government in Caracas is not now fully in control, nor has it ever been. That's why Chavez and now Maduro have continued to rail against the few haves in Venezuela- their power is only solidified by properly demonizing the wealthy and presenting them as an existential threat.

[kalm]

Do the rich also favor keeping oil profits in country or does populism always have to coincide with socialism?

Of course not and you know it, Mr Rhetorical Question.

Barack Obama is currently engaging in one of the most crass forms of economic populism, so there's a good example of it existing independently of communism.

But, with a clearer understanding of state communism you'd know that they don't truly exist together anyway. Established state communism is the end result of successful populist political activity- they are like the horse and the cart. The Bolivarian government in Caracas is not now fully in control, nor has it ever been. That's why Chavez and now Maduro have continued to rail against the few haves in Venezuela- their power is only solidified by properly demonizing the wealthy and presenting them as an existential threat.

So they can exist together but not really? If Cid1990 was a citizen of Venezuela you'd be pro-foreign oil companies because the alternative might be communism?

[CID1990]

Of course not and you know it, Mr Rhetorical Question.

Barack Obama is currently engaging in one of the most crass forms of economic populism, so there's a good example of it existing independently of communism.

But, with a clearer understanding of state communism you'd know that they don't truly exist together anyway. Established state communism is the end result of successful populist political activity- they are like the horse and the cart. The Bolivarian government in Caracas is not now fully in control, nor has it ever been. That's why Chavez and now Maduro have continued to rail against the few haves in Venezuela- their power is only solidified by properly demonizing the wealthy and presenting them as an existential threat.

So they can exist together but not really? If Cid1990 was a citizen of Venezuela you'd be pro-foreign oil companies because the alternative might be communism?

I'm not entirely sure what Gordian knot you're working at here, but it is pretty clear you don't understand what I said or what is going on with the "rich" in Venezuela, insofar as they exist.

[houndawg]

A few key points that will NOT get covered by the U.S. Media
1) Venezuela has taken back their banking system from the banking system that run our country
2) They have removed themselves from the OPEC standard where all oil transactions are handled in U.S. funds

These two factors alone are enough to generally cause us to BOMB THEM into freedom
(see Iraq: They did the same thing)

Iraq removed themselves from the same banks that run our government
and Iraq traded oil in their own funds (not U.S. funds)

Curios similarities
The banks that run our country are hell bent on de-stabilizing Venezuela

Somebody call Chizz and tell him Spandos hacked his password

Didn't happen?

[houndawg]

So they can exist together but not really? If Cid1990 was a citizen of Venezuela you'd be pro-foreign oil companies because the alternative might be communism?

I'm not entirely sure what Gordian knot you're working at here, but it is pretty clear you don't understand what I said or what is going on with the "rich" in Venezuela, insofar as they exist.

Is that a "yes, I would prefer foreign oil companies run my country if I were a Venezuelan citizen"?

[kalm]

I'm not entirely sure what Gordian knot you're working at here, but it is pretty clear you don't understand what I said or what is going on with the "rich" in Venezuela, insofar as they exist.

Is that a "yes, I would prefer foreign oil companies run my country if I were a Venezuelan citizen"?

CID, your response was a little confusing. What I'm interested in finding out is you're perspective on populism. Is it always a matter of envious class warriors that only want to bitch about their standing, blaming the rich while remaining unwilling to work hard enough to succeed? Or do legitimate populist uprisings sometimes exist?

[CID1990]

Is that a "yes, I would prefer foreign oil companies run my country if I were a Venezuelan citizen"?

CID, your response was a little confusing. What I'm interested in finding out is you're perspective on populism. Is it always a matter of envious class warriors that only want to bitch about their standing, blaming the rich while remaining unwilling to work hard enough to succeed? Or do legitimate populist uprisings sometimes exist?

You and Houndawg can bring up foreign control of petro resources all you want- it's a wonderful sidebar to what is going on in Caracas today-

but in reality, it has nothing to do with the political situation there now

shortages of basic necessities has nothing to do with the fight for resource sovereignty in this case- not being able to buy toilet paper in stores or having the Venezuelan equivalent of Radio Shack either confiscated by the government or taxed into oblivion or being told it must sell its goods at 1/3 the normal price has nothing to do with resource sovereignty

I think you guys are confused- maybe somebody else disputed what Chizz said- I didn't. Certainly Hugo Chavez was all about Venezuelan control of Venezuelan oil- and he has largely been successful with it although he blatantly ignores certain realities.... like for instance, if not the dollar, then what?

What I did say was that the internal problems in Venezuela today have everything to do with economic populism.. blaming the rich and the capitalists for the problems of the poor in Venezuela-

now perhaps because their economy is now collapsing because of what they tried to do to MAINTAIN their resource sovereignty is an argument that can be made, but the reality right now is that they are behaving just like every other dying socialist mistake and that has little to do with the big bad United States.

But please, keep on skipping your records back to BIG OIL... it is amusing

[kalm]

CID, your response was a little confusing. What I'm interested in finding out is you're perspective on populism. Is it always a matter of envious class warriors that only want to bitch about their standing, blaming the rich while remaining unwilling to work hard enough to succeed? Or do legitimate populist uprisings sometimes exist?

You and Houndawg can bring up foreign control of petro resources all you want- it's a wonderful sidebar to what is going on in Caracas today-

but in reality, it has nothing to do with the political situation there now

shortages of basic necessities has nothing to do with the fight for resource sovereignty in this case- not being able to buy toilet paper in stores or having the Venezuelan equivalent of Radio Shack either confiscated by the government or taxed into oblivion or being told it must sell its goods at 1/3 the normal price has nothing to do with resource sovereignty

I think you guys are confused- maybe somebody else disputed what Chizz said- I didn't. Certainly Hugo Chavez was all about Venezuelan control of Venezuelan oil- and he has largely been successful with it although he blatantly ignores certain realities.... like for instance, if not the dollar, then what?

What I did say was that the internal problems in Venezuela today have everything to do with economic populism.. blaming the rich and the capitalists for the problems of the poor in Venezuela-

now perhaps because their economy is now collapsing because of what they tried to do to MAINTAIN their resource sovereignty is an argument that can be made, but the reality right now is that they are behaving just like every other dying socialist mistake and that has little to do with the big bad United States.

But please, keep on skipping your records back to BIG OIL... it is amusing

Thanks, that's what I was looking for.

Btw, Norway is still alive, and Bolivia is thriving.

[CID1990]

You and Houndawg can bring up foreign control of petro resources all you want- it's a wonderful sidebar to what is going on in Caracas today-

but in reality, it has nothing to do with the political situation there now

shortages of basic necessities has nothing to do with the fight for resource sovereignty in this case- not being able to buy toilet paper in stores or having the Venezuelan equivalent of Radio Shack either confiscated by the government or taxed into oblivion or being told it must sell its goods at 1/3 the normal price has nothing to do with resource sovereignty

I think you guys are confused- maybe somebody else disputed what Chizz said- I didn't. Certainly Hugo Chavez was all about Venezuelan control of Venezuelan oil- and he has largely been successful with it although he blatantly ignores certain realities.... like for instance, if not the dollar, then what?

What I did say was that the internal problems in Venezuela today have everything to do with economic populism.. blaming the rich and the capitalists for the problems of the poor in Venezuela-

now perhaps because their economy is now collapsing because of what they tried to do to MAINTAIN their resource sovereignty is an argument that can be made, but the reality right now is that they are behaving just like every other dying socialist mistake and that has little to do with the big bad United States.

But please, keep on skipping your records back to BIG OIL... it is amusing

Thanks, that's what I was looking for.

Btw, Norway is still alive, and Bolivia is thriving.

You really don't have a clue what you're talking about

Outside your one member club, anyway

[Chizzang]

Thanks, that's what I was looking for.

Btw, Norway is still alive, and Bolivia is thriving.

You really don't have a clue what you're talking about

Outside your one member club, anyway

Two members... I just got my punch card in the mail yesterday

[kalm]

Thanks, that's what I was looking for.

Btw, Norway is still alive, and Bolivia is thriving.

You really don't have a clue what you're talking about

Outside your one member club, anyway

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you said "every other socialist mistake".

Also Iceland.