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kalm wrote:
Or you can just not drive while high.

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While I haven't done it for a very long time I think driving while high on pot and listening to music is a great experience. I also think the risk associated with it is very low. Is driving while high characterized by more risk than driving while not high? Yes. But is it a high risk? No.

I think our culture is way too obsessed with risk reduction. There's also such a thing as allowing people to enjoy their lives.
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kalm wrote:
Or you can just not drive while high.

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While I haven't done it for a very long time I think driving while high on pot and listening to music is a great experience. I also think the risk associated with it is very low. Is driving while high characterized by more risk than driving while not high? Yes. But is it a high risk? No.

I think our culture is way too obsessed with risk reduction. There's also such a thing as allowing people to enjoy their lives.
There’s also such a thing as allowing dogs to enjoy their lives.
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JohnStOnge wrote:There's also such a thing as allowing people to enjoy their lives.
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Ivytalk wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
While I haven't done it for a very long time I think driving while high on pot and listening to music is a great experience. I also think the risk associated with it is very low. Is driving while high characterized by more risk than driving while not high? Yes. But is it a high risk? No.

I think our culture is way too obsessed with risk reduction. There's also such a thing as allowing people to enjoy their lives.
There’s also such a thing as allowing dogs to enjoy their lives.
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Ivytalk wrote: There’s also such a thing as allowing dogs to enjoy their lives.
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Ibanez wrote:
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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... le/2672202
The 25-year study interval identified 1.3 million drivers involved in 882 483 crashes causing 978 328 fatalities. In total, 1369 drivers were involved in fatal crashes after 4:20 pm on April 20 whereas 2453 drivers were in fatal crashes on control days during the same time intervals (corresponding to 7.1 and 6.4 drivers in fatal crashes per hour, respectively). The risk of a fatal crash was significantly higher on April 20 (relative risk, 1.12; 95% CI, 1.05-1.19; P = .001).
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89Hen wrote:https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... le/2672202
The 25-year study interval identified 1.3 million drivers involved in 882 483 crashes causing 978 328 fatalities. In total, 1369 drivers were involved in fatal crashes after 4:20 pm on April 20 whereas 2453 drivers were in fatal crashes on control days during the same time intervals (corresponding to 7.1 and 6.4 drivers in fatal crashes per hour, respectively). The risk of a fatal crash was significantly higher on April 20 (relative risk, 1.12; 95% CI, 1.05-1.19; P = .001).
I'm not a pot smoker, but it should be legal and be handled like alcohol. Both aren't good for you in large quantites, both leave the user in a condition where you don't want them driving while under the influence, but put the laws in place to punish those who don't use safely and just make it legal already. To pretend they are substantially different from each other is to be silly. Legalize it, put up regulations to control it, and move on already.
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89Hen wrote:https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... le/2672202
The 25-year study interval identified 1.3 million drivers involved in 882 483 crashes causing 978 328 fatalities. In total, 1369 drivers were involved in fatal crashes after 4:20 pm on April 20 whereas 2453 drivers were in fatal crashes on control days during the same time intervals (corresponding to 7.1 and 6.4 drivers in fatal crashes per hour, respectively). The risk of a fatal crash was significantly higher on April 20 (relative risk, 1.12; 95% CI, 1.05-1.19; P = .001).
What is this? A correlation between 4:20 and crashes? :suspicious:

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GannonFan wrote:
I'm not a pot smoker, but it should be legal and be handled like alcohol. Both aren't good for you in large quantites, both leave the user in a condition where you don't want them driving while under the influence, but put the laws in place to punish those who don't use safely and just make it legal already. To pretend they are substantially different from each other is to be silly. Legalize it, put up regulations to control it, and move on already.
This is where 89 says "who says I think alcohol should be legal?". :lol:
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Grizalltheway wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
I'm not a pot smoker, but it should be legal and be handled like alcohol. Both aren't good for you in large quantites, both leave the user in a condition where you don't want them driving while under the influence, but put the laws in place to punish those who don't use safely and just make it legal already. To pretend they are substantially different from each other is to be silly. Legalize it, put up regulations to control it, and move on already.
This is where 89 says "who says I think alcohol should be legal?". :lol:
Freedom giveth, and freedom taketh away. It ain't always pretty, but it is what it is. Alcohol is and will be legal. Pot should and will be legal. There's plenty of times I wish people wouldn't drink as much as they do, and there will be plenty of times I wish people wouldn't smoke as much pot as they do, but there is freedom and liberty in this country and part of that means that people can do things I don't necessarily want them to do.
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Grizalltheway wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
I'm not a pot smoker, but it should be legal and be handled like alcohol. Both aren't good for you in large quantites, both leave the user in a condition where you don't want them driving while under the influence, but put the laws in place to punish those who don't use safely and just make it legal already. To pretend they are substantially different from each other is to be silly. Legalize it, put up regulations to control it, and move on already.
This is where 89 says "who says I think alcohol should be legal?". :lol:
Close, but as you would see if you've actually read my posts over the years, I've never actually said pot shouldn't be legal. I only like to point out that once legal and de-stigmatized, it will become a larger "problem" than it already is and that it's not really a safer option than booze.
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89Hen wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote: This is where 89 says "who says I think alcohol should be legal?". :lol:
Close, but as you would see if you've actually read my posts over the years, I've never actually said pot shouldn't be legal. I only like to point out that once legal and de-stigmatized, it will become a larger "problem" than it already is and that it's not really a safer option than booze.
Larger "problem" how and compared to what? Usage may go up, especially at first, but is that really a problem? Perhaps it's balanced by all the "problems" caused by illegality and prosecution. Perhaps it's balanced by the medicinal qualities.

What metrics are you using for comparing weed's safety with alcohol? Overdoses? Addiction levels? Violence?



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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: Close, but as you would see if you've actually read my posts over the years, I've never actually said pot shouldn't be legal. I only like to point out that once legal and de-stigmatized, it will become a larger "problem" than it already is and that it's not really a safer option than booze.
Larger "problem" how and compared to what? Usage may go up, especially at first, but is that really a problem? Perhaps it's balanced by all the "problems" caused by illegality and prosecution. Perhaps it's balanced by the medicinal qualities.

What metrics are you using for comparing weed's safety with alcohol? Overdoses? Addiction levels? Violence?

(I feel like we've already educated you on this)
Where did I EVER defend alcohol other than to say it was already legal? Maybe it's too close to home for you to be open to a discussion on this. ;)

Problems... medical issues, teen usage, DUI's, addiction (yes, that will be an issue as the industry evolves), etc...

Your quick reaction to always try to interject alcohol into the discussion is like a pro-choice person always going to rape/incest or welfare.
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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:
Larger "problem" how and compared to what? Usage may go up, especially at first, but is that really a problem? Perhaps it's balanced by all the "problems" caused by illegality and prosecution. Perhaps it's balanced by the medicinal qualities.

What metrics are you using for comparing weed's safety with alcohol? Overdoses? Addiction levels? Violence?

(I feel like we've already educated you on this)
Where did I EVER defend alcohol other than to say it was already legal? Maybe it's too close to home for you to be open to a discussion on this. ;)

Problems... medical issues, teen usage, DUI's, addiction (yes, that will be an issue as the industry evolves), etc...

Your quick reaction to always try to interject alcohol into the discussion is like a pro-choice person always going to rape/incest or welfare.
Huh? :?

You should really go back and read your own post... :lol:
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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: Where did I EVER defend alcohol other than to say it was already legal? Maybe it's too close to home for you to be open to a discussion on this. ;)

Problems... medical issues, teen usage, DUI's, addiction (yes, that will be an issue as the industry evolves), etc...

Your quick reaction to always try to interject alcohol into the discussion is like a pro-choice person always going to rape/incest or welfare.
Huh? :?

You should really go back and read your own post... :lol:
"really not safer"... that's what you object to? I don't think it will be over time.

Alcohol is a major problem for many, many people. Did you think I thought differently?

Pot is already a major problem for many people and as it becomes legal in more places, and more socially acceptable across a wider cross section of people, it will be many, many just like alcohol.

Pot can be used medicinally for certain things, but not all things.

With what of the above do you disagree?
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Should a responsible adult be allowed to choose whether or not to smoke marijuana?
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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:
Huh? :?

You should really go back and read your own post... :lol:
"really not safer"... that's what you object to? I don't think it will be over time.

Alcohol is a major problem for many, many people. Did you think I thought differently?

Pot is already a major problem for many people and as it becomes legal in more places, and more socially acceptable across a wider cross section of people, it will be many, many just like alcohol.

Pot can be used medicinally for certain things, but not all things.

With what of the above do you disagree?
Again...huh?

I didn’t use the word safer in that response (but yes an argument can be made).

Would you care to walk back your comments on me bringing up booze when it was you who used it in the recent opening salvo?

Agreed with your medicinal statement of course. But you were using broad terms like “problem” and problems can be worth it if there’s a net gain in benefits.

The rest is debatable. An honest view of weed might actually reduce abuse...the whole forbidden tree thing. It remains to be seen but at the very least weed appears to have low addiction and catastrophic health consequences when compared to other drugs.

It’s really not a big deal and way more people have been using it without detrimental effects than you could ever imagine.
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Legalizing Marijuana on the west coast was really more of a formality
and capitalization of what was already in place

The unforeseen bonus was marijuana tours from the east coast to Seattle...
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Chizzang wrote:Legalizing Marijuana on the west coast was really more of a formality
and capitalization of what was already in place

The unforeseen bonus was marijuana tours from the east coast to Seattle...
Absolutely nailed it. :nod:

I’d guess the average age of customers at the weed shops I’ve been to is around 57. The 89hen’s of the world appear to have no idea how “pervasive” it already was. :lol:
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kalm wrote:
Chizzang wrote:Legalizing Marijuana on the west coast was really more of a formality
and capitalization of what was already in place

The unforeseen bonus was marijuana tours from the east coast to Seattle...
Absolutely nailed it. :nod:

I’d guess the average age of customers at the weed shops I’ve been to is around 57. The 89hen’s of the world appear to have no idea how “pervasive” it already was. :lol:
Good luck there...

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kalm wrote:
Chizzang wrote:Legalizing Marijuana on the west coast was really more of a formality
and capitalization of what was already in place

The unforeseen bonus was marijuana tours from the east coast to Seattle...
Absolutely nailed it. :nod:

I’d guess the average age of customers at the weed shops I’ve been to is around 57. The 89hen’s of the world appear to have no idea how “pervasive” it already was. :lol:
When Alex got his medical marijuana card last year, he took an orientation class at the local dispensary. He was the youngest person in the class by 15 years, with median over 70
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Chizzang wrote:Legalizing Marijuana on the west coast was really more of a formality
and capitalization of what was already in place

The unforeseen bonus was marijuana tours from the east coast to Seattle...
I can’t WAIT for NC, SC, VA or GA to legalize it.


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Skjellyfetti wrote:Should a responsible adult be allowed to choose whether or not to smoke marijuana?
Possibly. How about cocaine, heroin, meth, etc... a lot of them come from plants too.
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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: "really not safer"... that's what you object to? I don't think it will be over time.

Alcohol is a major problem for many, many people. Did you think I thought differently?

Pot is already a major problem for many people and as it becomes legal in more places, and more socially acceptable across a wider cross section of people, it will be many, many just like alcohol.

Pot can be used medicinally for certain things, but not all things.

With what of the above do you disagree?
Again...huh?

I didn’t use the word safer in that response (but yes an argument can be made).

Would you care to walk back your comments on me bringing up booze when it was you who used it in the recent opening salvo?

Agreed with your medicinal statement of course. But you were using broad terms like “problem” and problems can be worth it if there’s a net gain in benefits.

The rest is debatable. An honest view of weed might actually reduce abuse...the whole forbidden tree thing. It remains to be seen but at the very least weed appears to have low addiction and catastrophic health consequences when compared to other drugs.

It’s really not a big deal and way more people have been using it without detrimental effects than you could ever imagine.
1. You seemed to take objection to my use of "really not safer", never said you used the word safer.

2. Weetag brought up alcohol and I responded.

The forbidden tree thing... how did that work out for tobacco and alcohol?
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