DOJ Memo on Marijuana Use

[89Hen]

Legalizing Marijuana on the west coast was really more of a formality
and capitalization of what was already in place

The unforeseen bonus was marijuana tours from the east coast to Seattle...

Absolutely nailed it.

I’d guess the average age of customers at the weed shops I’ve been to is around 57. The 89hen’s of the world appear to have no idea how “pervasive” it already was.

You're speculating and you would be incorrect. Believe me, I know plenty of folks who use.

[kalm]

Again...huh?

I didn’t use the word safer in that response (but yes an argument can be made).

Would you care to walk back your comments on me bringing up booze when it was you who used it in the recent opening salvo?

Agreed with your medicinal statement of course. But you were using broad terms like “problem” and problems can be worth it if there’s a net gain in benefits.

The rest is debatable. An honest view of weed might actually reduce abuse...the whole forbidden tree thing. It remains to be seen but at the very least weed appears to have low addiction and catastrophic health consequences when compared to other drugs.

It’s really not a big deal and way more people have been using it without detrimental effects than you could ever imagine.

1. You seemed to take objection to my use of "really not safer", never said you used the word safer.

2. Weetag brought up alcohol and I responded.

The forbidden tree thing... how did that work out for tobacco and alcohol?

1. Correct. I asked what you based that opinion on and you’ve come up with nothing. There might be some ways in which weed is less safe to use than booze but not in general.

2). And you accused me of dragging alcohol into this argument which I didnt.

[GannonFan]

I don't care if marijuana is bad for you. Of course it is. But it's not cocaine or heroin or some other extremely high risk drug. It's tobacco, it's alcohol, it's caffeine. Grown adults should be able to make the choice in a free society if they want to partake of it. Get all the warnings out there, the ill effects, and let them decide. We don't regulate people's diets, even though obesity and poor eating are probably the biggest factors in our health care costs, we don't regulate how much tv people watch or how much porn they view or a whole host of other things, because we are a free society and we let grownups make their own decisions, good or bad. Certainly keep kids away from it, and that will always be the hard part, but that doesn't change if you make it legal for adults.

[kalm]

I don't care if marijuana is bad for you. Of course it is. But it's not cocaine or heroin or some other extremely high risk drug. It's tobacco, it's alcohol, it's caffeine. Grown adults should be able to make the choice in a free society if they want to partake of it. Get all the warnings out there, the ill effects, and let them decide. We don't regulate people's diets, even though obesity and poor eating are probably the biggest factors in our health care costs, we don't regulate how much tv people watch or how much porn they view or a whole host of other things, because we are a free society and we let grownups make their own decisions, good or bad. Certainly keep kids away from it, and that will always be the hard part, but that doesn't change if you make it legal for adults.

Good post, Ganny.

I think we should least decriminalize it all. Abuse is a mental illness/medical problem.

[Chizzang]

I don't care if marijuana is bad for you. Of course it is. But it's not cocaine or heroin or some other extremely high risk drug. It's tobacco, it's alcohol, it's caffeine. Grown adults should be able to make the choice in a free society if they want to partake of it. Get all the warnings out there, the ill effects, and let them decide. We don't regulate people's diets, even though obesity and poor eating are probably the biggest factors in our health care costs, we don't regulate how much tv people watch or how much porn they view or a whole host of other things, because we are a free society and we let grownups make their own decisions, good or bad. Certainly keep kids away from it, and that will always be the hard part, but that doesn't change if you make it legal for adults.

already ^ said to 89hen over 10 years ago.... almost verbatim
With 89Hen more government is bad except when it's good
and Common Sense is good except when it's bad

[89Hen]

I don't care if marijuana is bad for you. Of course it is. But it's not cocaine or heroin or some other extremely high risk drug. It's tobacco, it's alcohol, it's caffeine. Grown adults should be able to make the choice in a free society if they want to partake of it. Get all the warnings out there, the ill effects, and let them decide. We don't regulate people's diets, even though obesity and poor eating are probably the biggest factors in our health care costs, we don't regulate how much tv people watch or how much porn they view or a whole host of other things, because we are a free society and we let grownups make their own decisions, good or bad. Certainly keep kids away from it, and that will always be the hard part, but that doesn't change if you make it legal for adults.

already ^ said to 89hen over 10 years ago.... almost verbatim
With 89Hen more government is bad except when it's good
and Common Sense is good except when it's bad

Where do I want more government? You keep trying to make stuff up Cleetus.

[kalm]

89, you’ll love this article...

http://www.oklahoman.com/article/557197 ... 80c3da7fef

The homeless weed vacation industry is terrifying!!!

[89Hen]

89, you’ll love this article...

http://www.oklahoman.com/article/557197 ... 80c3da7fef

The homeless weed vacation industry is terrifying!!!

It's an opinion piece, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of what he/she says isn't or doesn't come true. Strange that you focused on the homeless thing when the important part, if true, is...

which has resulted in Colorado being the number one state for youth drug use in the country. Kids are being expelled at higher rates, and more road deaths tied to pot have resulted since legalization."

[kalm]

89, you’ll love this article...

http://www.oklahoman.com/article/557197 ... 80c3da7fef

The homeless weed vacation industry is terrifying!!!

It's an opinion piece, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of what he/she says isn't or doesn't come true. Strange that you focused on the homeless thing when the important part, if true, is...

which has resulted in Colorado being the number one state for youth drug use in the country. Kids are being expelled at higher rates, and more road deaths tied to pot have resulted since legalization."

It’s a propaganda piece and shouldn’t be trusted.

For instance, while “drug use” might be high, Colorado’s teen weed use is down since legalization.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washin ... -colorado/

[houndawg]

I don't care if marijuana is bad for you. Of course it is. But it's not cocaine or heroin or some other extremely high risk drug. It's tobacco, it's alcohol, it's caffeine. Grown adults should be able to make the choice in a free society if they want to partake of it. Get all the warnings out there, the ill effects, and let them decide. We don't regulate people's diets, even though obesity and poor eating are probably the biggest factors in our health care costs, we don't regulate how much tv people watch or how much porn they view or a whole host of other things, because we are a free society and we let grownups make their own decisions, good or bad. Certainly keep kids away from it, and that will always be the hard part, but that doesn't change if you make it legal for adults.

Good post, Ganny.

I think we should least decriminalize it all. Abuse is a mental illness/medical problem.

This. Why do there need to be any laws, pro or con, about the stuff? Its a freaking weed.

[89Hen]

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/08/01/c ... atalities/

Road rage and aggressive driving played a role in nearly one out of every 10 fatal car crashes in Colorado in 2016 — making the state No. 2 in the nation for these kinds of deaths...

Colorado also came in below the national average for fatal crashes involving alcohol.

What happened to all the happy stoned drivers?

[Ibanez]

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/08/01/c ... atalities/

Road rage and aggressive driving played a role in nearly one out of every 10 fatal car crashes in Colorado in 2016 — making the state No. 2 in the nation for these kinds of deaths...

Colorado also came in below the national average for fatal crashes involving alcohol.

What happened to all the happy stoned drivers?

[89Hen]

An interesting read if you have time, and is pretty close to my stance on this...

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2019 ... f=hp-1-111

TMP: You write that you don’t believe people should go to prison for using marijuana. How should the law deal with pot? Should it be regulated? Should it carry a warning label?

AB: We need to spend a lot of money warning people—especially young people—about these risks. We've successfully driven down tobacco use. We can do the same with marijuana use. I don't favor full legalization because that creates an industry with a financial interest in low taxes and increasing use. Decriminalization is a reasonable compromise.

[Chizzang]

An interesting read if you have time, and is pretty close to my stance on this...

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2019 ... f=hp-1-111

TMP: You write that you don’t believe people should go to prison for using marijuana. How should the law deal with pot? Should it be regulated? Should it carry a warning label?

AB: We need to spend a lot of money warning people—especially young people—about these risks. We've successfully driven down tobacco use. We can do the same with marijuana use. I don't favor full legalization because that creates an industry with a financial interest in low taxes and increasing use. Decriminalization is a reasonable compromise.

The United States Department of Justice doesn't seem to care anymore... with Sessions out
Each state should do whatever the residents of that state see fit to do

1998 Washington State legalized Medical use
2003 they Decriminalized it
2011 they legalized it (effectively)
2013 they accepted growers licenses

It's a crop now in Washington... with Farmers Organizations and the whole shebang

[89Hen]

An interesting read if you have time, and is pretty close to my stance on this...

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2019 ... f=hp-1-111

The United States Department of Justice doesn't seem to care anymore... with Sessions out
Each state should do whatever the residents of that state see fit to do

1998 Washington State legalized Medical use
2003 they Decriminalized it
2011 they legalized it (effectively)
2013 they accepted growers licenses

It's a crop now in Washington... with Farmers Organizations and the whole shebang

I think we'll see a day when they get more interested.

[GannonFan]

I don't see the value of the middle ground here - either ban it or legalize it. There's already an industry that wants to increase the use and there always has been. Bring out into the light of day, warn people of the risks, regulate it as much as makes sense (going to still be illegal for under a certain age for instance), and let adults make adult decisions about it. The horse is long out of the barn on this one anyway.

[89Hen]

There's already an industry that wants to increase the use and there always has been.

You could say that about lots of things that I'm guessing you'd be against legalizing Ganny.

[Grizalltheway]

There's already an industry that wants to increase the use and there always has been.

You could say that about lots of things that I'm guessing you'd be against legalizing Ganny.

Including sugary drinks, yet the conks here mercilessly mocked cities for trying to do something to decrease their consumption.

[GannonFan]

There's already an industry that wants to increase the use and there always has been.

You could say that about lots of things that I'm guessing you'd be against legalizing Ganny.

You'd be surprised what I'm all for legalizing. I'm no Libertarian by any stretch, but I can swayed to that side on occasion.

As for the comment, I was just rebuffing the article's argument that if you legalize it only then would you have created an industry that wants to increase the use of it - I'm saying that already exists today whether it's legalized or not.

[AshevilleApp]

It's just a matter of time until prohibition ends. NC ABC (Alcohol Beverage Control) is starting to make contingency plans for when weed is legalized here. And this isn't a liberal state.

[Chizzang]

You could say that about lots of things that I'm guessing you'd be against legalizing Ganny.

Including sugary drinks, yet the conks here mercilessly mocked cities for trying to do something to decrease their consumption.

Because over burdening the Healthcare System and committing suicide by FAT is seen as an America right
Practically a way of life

[AZGrizFan]

Buy pot stocks now, people. They're going to EXPLODE in the next 24-48 months when pot is legalized across the country. We're at a tipping point.... Get while the getting is good...

[89Hen]

You could say that about lots of things that I'm guessing you'd be against legalizing Ganny.

You'd be surprised what I'm all for legalizing. I'm no Libertarian by any stretch, but I can swayed to that side on occasion.

As for the comment, I was just rebuffing the article's argument that if you legalize it only then would you have created an industry that wants to increase the use of it - I'm saying that already exists today whether it's legalized or not.

Legalizing it grows the industry 100 fold if not 1000 fold.

[89Hen]

It's just a matter of time until prohibition ends. NC ABC (Alcohol Beverage Control) is starting to make contingency plans for when weed is legalized here. And this isn't a liberal state.

I don't disagree with that.

[Chizzang]

Buy pot stocks now, people. They're going to EXPLODE in the next 24-48 months when pot is legalized across the country. We're at a tipping point.... Get while the getting is good...

They won't be going down...