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kalm wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 1:23 pm

HI54UNI wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 1:11 pm

Honest question - do you really think that people will go to work on CCC or WPA type projects? We didn't even make people on welfare do that prior to the pandemic. There's no way in hell a person that worked an inside retail or office job is going to go be a ditch digger without some work requirement. And there's no way Congress would ever pass a work requirement because it will be racist/sexist/homophobic/etc.

I’m not saying it will happen but it should. I find it similar to “Americans won’t pick fruit in the fields argument”. If you cut off their P.A. and they get hungry or it threatens their streaming service...they will.

Kalm...out conking the conks....

How are you out conking anyone? I doubt if you could find any conks on here that disagree with making welfare recipients work.

HI54UNI wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 1:54 pm

kalm wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 1:23 pm

I’m not saying it will happen but it should. I find it similar to “Americans won’t pick fruit in the fields argument”. If you cut off their P.A. and they get hungry or it threatens their streaming service...they will.

Kalm...out conking the conks....

How are you out conking anyone? I doubt if you could find any conks on here that disagree with making welfare recipients work.

Didn’t you just shrug off my idea of making people work for stimulus?

SDHornet wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 8:44 am

Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 7:53 am

See, we have a completely different view of safe. IMO, Safe is if the death rate and case numbers is declining over a certain period of time, similar to what the government has set down for it's recommendations, as in a gradual reopening versus a no-limit, wild west, open the barn doors type.

Well this has boiled down to "saving lives". And technically, no life is "safe" until we have a vaccine. These lock downs keep getting extended a few weeks at a time. What exactly is changing, wrt to being "safe", over those few weeks until we have a vaccine?

Less cases and less deaths is what's changing from what I see. Minnesota is starting to peak. My step-son is quarantined with a soar throat today. A few of his co-workers tested positive.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 9:32 am

Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 7:53 am

See, we have a completely different view of safe. IMO, Safe is if the death rate and case numbers is declining over a certain period of time, similar to what the government has set down for it's recommendations, as in a gradual reopening versus a no-limit, wild west, open the barn doors type.

Would you feel "safe" if the death rate was .02%?

No, if someone put 100 cookies on a table and said 2 are poison and will kill you, I would not take a cookie. I don't think COVID-19 is at .02 percent though.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 12:34 pm

dbackjon wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 12:29 pm

So you are supporting a $15-$20 minimum wage?

I'm supporting people being allowed to make a living. Not really that difficult to understand. And if they're good, they'll make a lot more than $15 or $20 an hour. No need to pay pimple-faced teenaged burger flippers $15.

Just confirmed you are detached from economic reality

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 12:35 pm

dbackjon wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 12:30 pm

LMAO that anyone thinks Obama was a failure, especially a Cult45er like you.

I'm hardly a cultist, and yes Obama was a massive failure, especially considering the opportunity that was presented to him as the first black president.

How was he a failure? Coming from someone that thinks Trump is a genius, this ought to be good.


So you are asking him to do MORE because he is black?

89Hen wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 1:13 pm

dbackjon wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 12:25 pm

food is more expensive, spending money on sanitizers, masks, etc. Somewhat offset by lower gas prices

Not sure why food is more expensive, I'm not seeing that here. In fact, I'm saving tons of money during this thing.

At least here, Meat prices have gone up. Some other basic staples as well. We didn't eat out a lot (and I do all the shopping)

Just open up it up.

Our beaches opened today. SCBH very happy.



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SunCoastBlueHen wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 3:22 pm Our beaches opened today. SCBH very happy.

MIL just left FLA and is back in DE in time for nothing being open.

kalm wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 2:17 pm

HI54UNI wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 1:54 pm

How are you out conking anyone? I doubt if you could find any conks on here that disagree with making welfare recipients work.

Didn’t you just shrug off my idea of making people work for stimulus?

I said it won't happen. Didn't say I didn't like it.

different matter - did my PM make sense?

I voted support with safety protocols in place but I think it's a very difficult situation. If that's done and it backfires the economic damage over the longer term may be greater than the economic damage done by remaining very strict until effective treatments and/or vaccines are developed.

I voted the way I did because I know that's how I'd feel if I were NOT financially secure. For me personally the biggest inconvenience is that I can't get a haircut. My job is actually better now because I get to spend more time on abstract "scientific" stuff because I don't have to spend any time on the other day to day stuff that's not really interesting.

Well, also I didn't get to do any Spring fishing at Lacassine Refuge. I could've gone but decided not to take any long road trips because I know Louisiana's first responders would prefer that people don't do that at this time. That kind of sucked.

Reopen and retained. As I was talking about in another thread, if we can manage not to kill everyone in America who has a compromised immune system without shutting down, then we should be able to protect the COVID susceptible with the same precautions.

89Hen wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 3:38 pm

SunCoastBlueHen wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 3:22 pm Our beaches opened today. SCBH very happy.

MIL just left FLA and is back in DE in time for nothing being open.

So is she in the “six months and one day” club?

Ivytalk wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 6:46 pm

89Hen wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 3:38 pm

MIL just left FLA and is back in DE in time for nothing being open.

So is she in the “six months and one day” club?

Normally, yes. This year was an extended stay. Two more old people just returned to your county.

HI54UNI wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 3:57 pm

kalm wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 2:17 pm

Didn’t you just shrug off my idea of making people work for stimulus?

I said it won't happen. Didn't say I didn't like it.

different matter - did my PM make sense?

Yes and thanks! I’ve got further homework I’ll submit.

You da man!

kalm wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 7:20 pm

HI54UNI wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 3:57 pm

I said it won't happen. Didn't say I didn't like it.

different matter - did my PM make sense?

Yes and thanks! I’ve got further homework I’ll submit.

You da man!

You said you were having site issues so I wanted to make sure you got it.

Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 2:29 pm

SDHornet wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 8:44 am

Well this has boiled down to "saving lives". And technically, no life is "safe" until we have a vaccine. These lock downs keep getting extended a few weeks at a time. What exactly is changing, wrt to being "safe", over those few weeks until we have a vaccine?

Less cases and less deaths is what's changing from what I see. Minnesota is starting to peak. My step-son is quarantined with a soar throat today. A few of his co-workers tested positive.

So now the new norm is we’re going to quarantine anybody who sniffles, sneezes, has a sore throat or a slight fever?

Sorry, but that is just NOT a long term tenable solution.

dbackjon wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 2:53 pm

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 12:35 pm

I'm hardly a cultist, and yes Obama was a massive failure, especially considering the opportunity that was presented to him as the first black president.

How was he a failure? Coming from someone that thinks Trump is a genius, this ought to be good.


So you are asking him to do MORE because he is black?

Please find the quote where I ever said Trump was a genius. Meanwhile, I’ll go copy the hundred or so posts where I say he’s a dipshit. But, like a good liberal, you’ll never let facts get in the way of a good rant.

Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 2:48 pm

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 9:32 am

Would you feel "safe" if the death rate was .02%?

No, if someone put 100 cookies on a table and said 2 are poison and will kill you, I would not take a cookie. I don't think COVID-19 is at .02 percent though.

It is if 150,000,000 already have it or have had it. And that’s what just about every large-scale study is showing.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 7:38 pm

Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 2:48 pm

No, if someone put 100 cookies on a table and said 2 are poison and will kill you, I would not take a cookie. I don't think COVID-19 is at .02 percent though.

It is if 150,000,000 already have it or have had it. And that’s what just about every large-scale study is showing.

You could at least provide links to support your numbers.

Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 2:48 pm

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 9:32 am

Would you feel "safe" if the death rate was .02%?

No, if someone put 100 cookies on a table and said 2 are poison and will kill you, I would not take a cookie. I don't think COVID-19 is at .02 percent though.

He asked .02%, not 2%..

.02% would be 1 cookie out of 5,000...

2 of 100 cookies would be 2%.
2 of 1,000 cookies would be .2%
2 of 10,000 cookies would be .02%

89Hen wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 7:15 pm

Ivytalk wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 6:46 pm

So is she in the “six months and one day” club?

Normally, yes. This year was an extended stay. Two more old people just returned to your county.

A couple of our (even) older friends in town are in the same boat. They’ve usually returned by now, but they’ve deferred the trip for a few weeks.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 10:04 pm

Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 2:48 pm

No, if someone put 100 cookies on a table and said 2 are poison and will kill you, I would not take a cookie. I don't think COVID-19 is at .02 percent though.

He asked .02%, not 2%..

.02% would be 1 cookie out of 5,000...

2 of 100 cookies would be 2%.
2 of 1,000 cookies would be .2%
2 of 10,000 cookies would be .02%

My bad, but the question is still similar, would you eat a cookie if you knew 1 out of 5000 was poison, and would kill you?

89Hen wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 1:19 pm

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 12:58 pm The food bill is high b/c it's coming in at once but we are certainly spending less than we normally would.

Wha?

If you're spending less, then your bills are lower. One $200 charge for groceries is less than 3 x $75. I assume it's all going on a card that you pay once month, no?

Good catch, I meant the grocery bill. Instead of spending money on groceries, and multiple restaurants a week. We're saving a couple hundred by not eating out as much.